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Superpatsy said:
Fair enough, I should probably get some work done! :D

Nothing personal, just really ****** me off how nearly every discussion anywhere F1-related ends up turning into a RB bashing thread.

Also clarifying the fact I'm not a RB/Max fan - been following McLaren since '97 when I was 5 years old!
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Get some work done :D
 
Greboth said:
Did Ted say Max or Red Bull robbed Hamilton? Or just a general Hamilton was robbed?
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Following the race, Kravitz said: “[Hamilton] doesn’t win a race all year, and then finally comes back at a track where he could win the first race, battling the same guy who won the race he was robbed in the previous year, and manages to finish ahead of him.

“What a script and a story that would have been. But that’s not the way the script turned out today, was it?

“Because the guy that beat him after being robbed actually overtook him, because he’s got a quicker car, because of engineering and Formula One and design, and pretty much because of [Adrian Newey, Red Bull technical chief] over there.”
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Superpatsy said:
Funnily enough I do, and I would say it doesn't apply here because Lewis was in position to win the championship but never had it for it to be robbed.

I may be wrong but I'm sure Masi interpreted it differently from how others would due to the wording of the rule.

The FIA changed the rules so how did Max/Red Bull 'rob' Lewis? It's just getting incredibly tiresome listening to people still go on about last year.

The worst part about F1 now isn't Red Bull, Max, the FIA etc. It's 100% the fans.
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He was robbed. It was insanely unfair to only let the lapped cars between Max and Lewis back around. It was completely manufactured to give a last lap fight, and to do so they had to throw years of rules and precedence out of the window.

Lewis was better and faster than Max for the entire race. Max had to keep getting safety cars to keep up, and then had to have the rules changed in his favour so he could win the race. Basically Max had to be handed that last race by the race director to win the championship. There was no need to change the rules in an unsporting and unfair way to help Max win. Lewis deserved to win that race.

There is no contrary opinion or different take/different way to interpret on this and I'm tired of listening to people poorly try to justify it. Masi was 100% in the wrong, and that is why he was fired. Lewis should have won the last race if all rules were followed and no manufacturing of last lap drama was made.
 
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Jono8 said:
Lewis was better and faster than Max for the entire race. Max had to keep getting safety cars to keep up, and then had to have the rules changed in his favour so he could win the race. Basically Max had to be handed that last race by the race director to win the championship. There was no need to change the rules in an unsporting and unfair way to help Max win. Lewis deserved to win that race.
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This is the important thing. I wanted Lewis to win but I said before the start that whoever won the race would be a deserving champion based on the overall performance of the season. If Max had won it fair and square, I'd have been disappointed but that would have been it. Because of the intervention by Michael Masi, the result was gifted to Max and Lewis was robbed. If the race had been red flagged and they were both going into that final lap in equal equipment, I'd have had no problem who won.
 
Feek said:
This is the important thing. I wanted Lewis to win but I said before the start that whoever won the race would be a deserving champion based on the overall performance of the season. If Max had won it fair and square, I'd have been disappointed but that would have been it. Because of the intervention by Michael Masi, the result was gifted to Max and Lewis was robbed. If the race had been red flagged and they were both going into that final lap in equal equipment, I'd have had no problem who won.
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Yep, same. It was just so ridiculously manufactured, with every advantage given to Max. It was ridiculous to watch. It was the worst thing in professional high level sport I have ever seen. I couldn't quite believe my eyes/ears when it was happening.
 
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Jono8 said:
He was robbed. It was insanely unfair to only let the lapped cars between Max and Lewis back around. It was completely manufactured to give a last lap fight, and to do so they had to throw years of rules and precedence out of the window.

Lewis was better and faster than Max for the entire race. Max had to keep getting safety cars to keep up, and then had to have the rules changed in his favour so he could win the race. Basically Max had to be handed that last race by the race director to win the championship. There was no need to change the rules in an unsporting and unfair way to help Max win. Lewis deserved to win that race.

There is no contrary opinion or different take/different way to interpret on this and I'm tired of listening to people poorly try to justify it. Masi was 100% in the wrong, and that is why he was fired. Lewis should have won the last race if all rules were followed and no manufacturing of last lap drama was made.
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I'm past really caring about it. Fed up of people like yourself going on about it.

As Elsa once said in Frozen, 'let it go'...
 
Jono8 said:
Yep, same. It was just so ridiculously manufactured, with every advantage given to Max. It was ridiculous to watch. It was the worst thing in professional high level sport I have ever seen. I couldn't quite believe my eyes/ears when it was happening.
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Lets be clear...because your already getting very muddy with the facts. The race up till the last few laps was nothing unusual at all..You can happily claim till the cows come home that Masi did a weird one at the end, but outside of that it was very clear Hamilton had the race in the bag and the racing and track action was business as usual for F1.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Lets be clear...because your already getting very muddy with the facts. The race up till the last few laps was nothing unusual at all..You can happily claim till the cows come home that Masi did a weird one at the end, but outside of that it was very clear Hamilton had the race in the bag and the racing and track action was business as usual for F1.
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Yes. I am obviously talking about the end shenanigans.

Also, where have i been muddy with the facts?
 
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Jono8 said:
There is no contrary opinion or different take/different way to interpret on this and I'm tired of listening to people poorly try to justify it. Masi was 100% in the wrong, and that is why he was fired. Lewis should have won the last race if all rules were followed and no manufacturing of last lap drama was made.
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Exactly. Max and RB would get a lot less stick (well some!) if they at least held their hands up and said words to the effect of it not being normal procedure, but all they were doing is racing and they took advantage of what happened. Unfortunately you have all the backroom shenanigans and phonecalls to Masi that shows they were complicit, so they'll never do that.

Like you said, there is no argument any more. The firing of Masi and the "human error" (plus other) wording by the FIA proves it and anyone who denies it is in cuckoo-land.

None of this is helped by other commentators calling Max the next messiah or "one of the best ever" because what-with the budget cap saga hanging over this year and adding to last years sheningans, he hasn't actually outright won a single championship on 100% racing merit as far as I'm concerned.
 
Jono8 said:
Yep, same. It was just so ridiculously manufactured, with every advantage given to Max. It was ridiculous to watch. It was the worst thing in professional high level sport I have ever seen. I couldn't quite believe my eyes/ears when it was happening.
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I was at a Christmas dinner during that race. Had my phone displaying the live updates on the table. Saw a SC had been called and I had a big grin on my face knowing what should've played out. Then another update came and I couldn't believe what I saw. Quite glad I didn't 'see' it live but it still angers me til this day. Even more so that it comes out Red Bull broke the cap and just got a slap on the wrists.
 
F1 has become a media circus and the racing seems like it's secondary to the daily merry-go-round of terrible journalism unfortunately.

It's really putting me off following. I have only watched the last two races due to them being later, I wouldn't make time for it now like I used to. I don't think my late father would either.

Also, hopefully Alonso makes himself so hard to work with he gets sent packing sooner than later. Every bit of media attention he gets is just toxic at this point.
 
Having watched the offending video of Ted, I think it's been over-egged somewhat. Ted's mention of Hamilton 'being robbed' was in no way insinuating that RB/Verstappen were the ones doing the robbing, and was a hyperbolic tale after mentioning the Brad Pitt/F1 movie rumours. The media's obviously worked up over this part to stir up some drama. However for me Ted was absolutely over the line when he solely attributes Verstappen's success last year to Adrian Newey. That's very disingenuous and disrespectful to Max and RB as a team.

But it did keep Horner off the screen for a weekend, so silver linings etc.
 
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GravyMonster said:
Having watched the offending video of Ted, I think it's been over-egged somewhat. Ted's mention of Hamilton 'being robbed' was in no way insinuating that RB/Verstappen were the ones doing the robbing, and was a hyperbolic tale after mentioning the Brad Pitt/F1 movie rumours. The media's obviously worked up over this part to stir up some drama. However for me Ted was absolutely over the line when he solely attributes Verstappen's success last year to Adrian Newey. That's very disingenuous and disrespectful to Max and RB as a team.

But it did keep Horner off the screen for a weekend, so silver linings etc.
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In any case, Ted is entitled to call things the way he sees them. Yes you should remain neutral as a sports commentator/pundit, but Ted's particular style - having been in F1 for a long, long time - should be allowed to remain where in he calls things fairly bluntly. Martin Brundle calls things live as he sees them as well. He said so himself during live commentary of the Mexico GP over an incident with Gasly getting a penalty.
Horner should see someone about his own mental health frankly. This "statement" they made to not speak with Sky is just their way of fighting back against anyone who speaks ill of their golden boy's 2021 title. The truth hurts Redbull and behaving in the way they do (generally, not just this) just makes things worse for them. When we see Horner buckling under the pressure of the interviews, squirming and making rash statements such that apologies should be made to them, the irony is that they are "damaging the Redbull brand" as Christian likes to refer to constantly, ALL BY THEMSELVES. The 2021 title will always be remembered for controversy - not just for Abhu Dhabi - and RB can cry about it all they want but it's never going to change. The sooner they get used to that the better.
 
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Red Bull sold almost 10 billion cans of drink in 2021 (increase of 24% from 2020), I don't think anything they're doing across all the sports they're a part of is harming their brand. :p

As Oscar Wilde once said - "There's only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about".
 
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