Motorsport Off Topic Thread

[Jimbeam3678]

On a positive note at least the Horner and Lewis developments are filling the gap of no F1 action

 

[sidimmu]

Interesting. Can you explain why you think that? If it's not a serious comment, why say it after feek's multiple warnings not to rock the boat?

No I wont explain why I do not think like that.
The level of sarcasm was clearly identified in the post, hence the begging for no bans in the next sentence.
But keep letting every comment get to you.

F1 fans doing footie fan things where tribalism is rife...
Am I shocked? Not at all.
Next season should be fun in here...

 

[cuke2u]

So what you’re saying is, as long as I’m the second man to do something I should never be judged or thought of negatively for it? Cool, I look forward to using that defense after I rob a bank.

Yes that’s a crime but it highlights the absurdity of your position. Everyone should be judged based on their actions, their morality. And in that respect, is is really that much of a leap to see why people think Horner (and a couple other RB staff) is found wanting.

Wow, robbing a bank the same as leaving your wife? Must be tough for all you judgemental people living in a world with humans making all their mistakes, I feel for you..
But what has this to do with running RB F1 and the current 'accusation'. Nothing....

 

[cuke2u]

On a positive note at least the Horner and Lewis developments are filling the gap of no F1 action

Hope you've plenty of popcorn as the laughs keep coming..

 

[Greboth]

Wow, robbing a bank the same as leaving your wife? Must be tough for all you judgemental people living in a world with humans making all their mistakes, I feel for you..
But what has this to do with running RB F1 and the current 'accusation'. Nothing....

Sure, let’s try to deflect that it’s got nothing to do with the accusations against Horner when the conversation has clearly moved in to a general discussion on the dislike for RB which your quoted comment was in response to one of them.

However, I never said they were the same. I was taking your stance to an extreme level to point out how inane it is.

How about a better example then, if (and note I said ‘if’) Horner gets fired for his inappropriate behaviour, should he be able to step in to another team principle role at another team no questions asked? or do you think when assessing (or ya know, judging) his applicability it should be taken in to account?

Judging isn’t only about negativity though but as no-one should do it; how about we wipe all records of which drivers and teams won champsionships? as each season was a judgement of how good a driver and/or team is.

It’s an absurd position to take the no-one should ever be judged on their worth, their actions and morality. How egregious you consider someone’s actions? well that depends on your personal morals and opinion.

 

[adam cool dude]

Reads like a LH fan....

Am I doing it right everyone? AM I????? Dont ban me Feek.

Genuinely though, everyone has a level of bias in here, its shows heavily, everyone needs to understand that you wont get through to everyone and not everyone will agree.
People should stop trying to come across as the moral high-ground when it is just their bias coming through though.

I have very little bias. The last interesting drivers were Vettel and Kimi. F1 has been a joke for nearly ten years now when the Netflix series is more entertaining than the racing. F1 isn't alone as BTCC and WRC are equally getting worse. NASCAR is about the only enjoyable Motorsport about now which says a lot! I would say I am a Ferrari fan at heart growing up with the dominance of Schumacher and had very little time for McLaren because of that. I couldn't care less for Hamilton either. Mansell will always be my hero for what he done.

Now I have said that the people at red bull are some of the most vile people in business though and I wouldn't want to be working for a company with people like that in charge. If the team principal will dump his wife with a 6 month old kid then I dread to think how he treats his work colleagues beneath him. I wouldn't want to meet Jos down a dark alley either. On top of that the whole team is sponsored by a liquid that shortens your lifespan.

 

[cuke2u]

Sure, let’s try to deflect that it’s got nothing to do with the accusations against Horner when the conversation has clearly moved in to a general discussion on the dislike for RB which your quoted comment was in response to one of them.

However, I never said they were the same. I was taking your stance to an extreme level to point out how inane it is.

How about a better example then, if (and note I said ‘if’) Horner gets fired for his inappropriate behaviour, should he be able to step in to another team principle role at another team no questions asked? or do you think when assessing (or ya know, judging) his applicability it should be taken in to account?

Judging isn’t only about negativity though but as no-one should do it; how about we wipe all records of which drivers and teams won champsionships? as each season was a judgement of how good a driver and/or team is.

It’s an absurd position to take the no-one should ever be judged on their worth, their actions and morality. How egregious you consider someone’s actions? well that depends on your personal morals and opinion.

I'm not the one though on a moral high ground about Horner's current predicament and it is just as absurd to suggest that because of a particular personal decision Horner made in his past has any bearing on the current accusation, or the manner in which he runs an F1 team, that some seem to be linking it to.
To suggest Horner's decision to leave his wife makes him a bad man is judgement then to go on and suggest he's some kind of sex offender can only come from a terribly confused and sad mind, sometimes called bigots but not a word I'd choose.
I have spent the whole of my life working with those who are either victims or have made an error of judgement in the past, far worse than leaving their wives, and some of the stories I have would horrify most people. But everyone has the ability to make good of their lives if they can realise the opportunity to do so and be given the chance.
The worst thing they have to deal with though is prejudice.

Even if Horner does get fired, can you imagine the crowing in here if he did, then an decision about whether he returns to F1 is a completely different and hypothetical debate.

 

[sidimmu]

I have very little bias.

Proceeds to state:

If the team principal will dump his wife with a 6 month old kid then I dread to think how he treats his work colleagues beneath him. I wouldn't want to meet Jos down a dark alley either. On top of that the whole team is sponsored by a liquid that shortens your lifespan.

Very little = large amounts?

You dont have to have any bias to look at some things and take a sensible approach;
Wife thing - none of our business, we have no idea what happened in his home. Plenty of other people have been celebrated for walking out of a relationship when children are involved.
Jos - if his name was James Hunt he'd be celebrated.
Red bull drink - Right, who would you prefer them to be named after? Stella Artois?

Thanks for the comedy, that got me good.

 

[Junglist]

I don't think that's bias speaking and more acknowledging the fact that Horner did something which is as horrible as what he did.

You don't leave the woman who has just given birth to your child after 6 months. It's likely he was courting Geri whilst that woman was still carrying his child.

I know it has nothing to do with his day-to-day running of his team but if that's how he would treat someone, who he made a vow to no less, it speaks of his character and how he may feel he can do as he pleases to whomever he pleases.

A few proverbs which I think can be applied to Horner and/or a few higher ups at red bull.

A leopard never changes its spots.
A Tree is known by its fruits.
Birds of a feather flock together.

 

[jaybee]

But keep letting every comment get to you.

I see. Debating on here is "letting comments get to me". You remind me of someone controlling and manipulative... Christian? Is that you?

 

[cuke2u]

I don't think that's bias speaking and more acknowledging the fact that Horner did something which is as horrible as what he did.

You don't leave the woman who has just given birth to your child after 6 months. It's likely he was courting Geri whilst that woman was still carrying his child.

I know it has nothing to do with his day-to-day running of his team but if that's how he would treat someone, who he made a vow to no less, it speaks of his character and how he may feel he can do as he pleases to whomever he pleases.

A few proverbs which I think can be applied to Horner and/or a few higher ups at red bull.

A leopard never changes its spots.
A Tree is known by its fruits.
Birds of a feather flock together.

I'm sorry but horrible? Do you know why he left his wife then or. like others, making a moral assumption?
Two proverbs for you: Don't judge a book by its cover and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

 

[adam cool dude]

Proceeds to state:

Very little = large amounts?

You dont have to have any bias to look at some things and take a sensible approach;
Wife thing - none of our business, we have no idea what happened in his home. Plenty of other people have been celebrated for walking out of a relationship when children are involved.
Jos - if his name was James Hunt he'd be celebrated.
Red bull drink - Right, who would you prefer them to be named after? Stella Artois?

Thanks for the comedy, that got me good.

It is called life experience not bias. I have seen plenty of people like him in the workplace on both sides of the gender scale and they always end up to be the rotten ones and they always end up getting what's coming to them one way or another.

 

[Junglist]

I'm sorry but horrible? Do you know why he left his wife then or. like other, making a moral assumption?

Do you think walking out on the person who carried your child only 6 months ago is acceptable? If you do, that's fine. It's your moral compass, not mine. Though I'd bet you're in the minority of people who think that's OK.

 

[Greboth]

Jos - if his name was James Hunt he'd be celebrated.

There's a bit of a difference between Hunt being a philanderer and womaniser to Jos' assault and attempted murder.

 

[jaybee]

I'm sorry but horrible? Do you know why he left his wife then or. like others, making a moral assumption?

I guess the appeal of a ginger biscuit was too much.

 

[Greboth]

To suggest Horner's decision to leave his wife makes him a bad man is judgement then to go on and suggest he's some kind of sex offender can only come from a terribly confused and sad mind, sometimes called bigots but not a word I'd choose.

What?! Where did that come from? As far as I can tell you're the only one who made that jump to sex offender so I guess that makes you the bigot?

 

[adam cool dude]

I'm sorry but horrible? Do you know why he left his wife then or. like others, making a moral assumption?
Two proverbs for you: Don't judge a book by its cover and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

His parents refused to go to the wedding. I guess that paints a pretty solid picture of the whole affair.

 

[Slam62]

He’s not the messiah he’s a very naughty boy

 

[sidimmu]

I see. Debating on here is "letting comments get to me". You remind me of someone controlling and manipulative... Christian? Is that you?

Lad, my comment was a joke, it read like a joke, it even confirmed it was a joke the sentence underneath.
But you still could not let that be and have to get a comment in.
So yeah, the comments are getting to you.

It is called life experience not bias. I have seen plenty of people like him in the workplace on both sides of the gender scale and they always end up to be the rotten ones and they always end up getting what's coming to them one way or another.

Does it really? I'd contest that, as I meet hundreds of people through my work each year, and half the rotten ones get away with it for years or walk away with a big pay day.

There's a bit of a difference between Hunt being a philanderer and womaniser to Jos' assault and attempted murder.

You clearly missed my point.
If Jos was british, he'd be celebrated and his past forgotten because he produced a multiple world champion son called Lewis Verstappen....

Do you think walking out on the person who carried your child only 6 months ago is acceptable? If you do, that's fine. It's your moral compass, not mine. Though I'd bet you're in the minority of people who think that's OK.

I mean there is reasons to walk away, but since none of us know the true context and situation, its probably best not to judge him based on an outside view.

 

[cuke2u]

I guess the appeal of a ginger biscuit was too much.

So not only disrespectful and derogatory towards Horner and Red Bull, you also include women?