I hadn't actually heard of her before her death.I suppose that makes me a terrible person.
Any news on the passerby who tried to save her? A 77 year old man who got stabbed in the liver for his trouble.
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I hadn't actually heard of her before her death.I suppose that makes me a terrible person.
Any news on the passerby who tried to save her? A 77 year old man who got stabbed in the liver for his trouble.
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I never really understood that whole mentality.
Who has the time to go online and abuse/threaten an MP? I trolled David Cameron face book page a couple times posting dumb ****.
I just don't care enough to log on and threaten to kill someone....
I'd heard of her, but I waste a lot more of my time following politics than most people. I don't think not knowing who she was is a negative judgement on anyone who didn't live in her constituency.
Any news on the passerby who tried to save her? A 77 year old man who got stabbed in the liver for his trouble.
Stabilised and out of hospital according to Radio 4 news
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Any news on the passerby who tried to save her? A 77 year old man who got stabbed in the liver for his trouble.
He is being praised a lot on social media and so a few newspapers have started praising him. I think there is a petition to give him a medal.
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I doubt more than 2 or 3 out of 10 people here in north Shropshire could tell you who their MP is, especially if they were under 30 years of age.
http://www.owenpaterson.org/
Tenants in a local pub hadn't even heard of his name when I told them who their MP was.
http://www.owenpaterson.org/
Tenants in a local pub hadn't even heard of his name when I told them who their MP was.
And that's why I find it so funny that part of the Leave campaigns argument is 'those unknown bureaucrats in Brussels'....when the majority of people don't even give a toss about who their own local MP is
I think most had not heard of Jo Cox before her death. Archbishop John Sentamu even referred to her as a martyr. For what exactly? Seems to me that regarding her death, part of our society has taken leave of its senses.
What is ridiculous is how her death has been used to pause the referendum campaigning, debate and discussion. That parliament was recalled yesterday regarding her death was bizarre. That the Tories has said they will not contest the election for a new MP is an affront to democracy. It is for decent individuals to insist that acts of violence and aggression do not interfere with the working of our democracy, or else the aggressors have won.
In 1990, when Ian Gow was murdered by the IRA scum, parliament was not recalled. Liberal Democrat David Bellotti also contested the election for the seat, and won it.
Stabilised and out of hospital according to Radio 4 news
That's good news at least!
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No, it isn't - quite the reverse, in fact. The people of Batley and Spen wanted a Labour MP. Contesting the seat is to legitimise Jo Cox's murder by saying they might want someone else, and thus imply that Mair acted for the people. I would say the same about contesting any seat after the sitting MP is killed.
(Also while the Lib Dems did take Eastbourne after Ian Gow's murder, it was a shock result. They lost it back to the Tories in the next General Election, just as they lost Kincardine and Deeside after taking it following the natural death of Alick Buchanan-Smith.)
Some of the stuff I have seen this week is really sinister, way beyond the realms of a keyboard warrior.
There's a very nasty streak just below our so called 'civilised society'.
I can't say I have a problem with either. I think a lot of people involved in the campaigning were genuinely shocked and hurt by her murder, and I think it would have been difficult for the campaign to continue under the circumstances. I think it was appropriate of the house to recall and pay tribute, as did most MPs from all sides.
I would not go as far as affront to democracy but I have sympathy with your arguments. There is an extent to which the murder of an MP is an attack on our democracy itself and the best response to that is to continue with the normal operation of democracy. Still, it is up to the individual parties to decide their response and I think the particularly shocking nature of the attack was part of the reason that the response has been different.
Indeed so. Times were a little different in 1990 though, we still faced a real terrorist threat from the IRA and so the murder was perhaps less shocking that the murder of Jo Cox. Bellotti's victory drew this response from Ann Widdecombe: ""Bellotti is the innocent beneficiary of murder. I suspect as last night as the Liberal Democrats were toasting their success, in its hideouts the IRA were doing the same thing".
I guess I can see both sides on this one, I would not be upset if there were a by-election and I think the arguments for one are valid; on the other hand I can see the arguments for allowing the election unopposed out of respect. I don't think either argument is clearly stronger.
When 'civilised society' constitutes the what's been seen in the media and from our politicians recently, it's no wonder the nasties come out to play - I'd bet they feel far more at home and encouraged by everything that is going on, fuelling their ideology and concept of what is acceptable.
Noticing in face ache lots of articles surfacing which appear to be smearing Jo Cox and her husband, I'm not going to link to them, but the daily fail is one such article.
Whilst this stuff is already in the public domain (Fail article dated 2015) you'd have thought they'd at least wait until after her funeral!
Then again, typical social media I suppose.
Whilst this stuff is already in the public domain (Fail article dated 2015) you'd have thought they'd at least wait until after her funeral!
Then again, typical social media I suppose.
I've not read the post, I just wanted to remark how sad it is someone fighting their opinions in a political stance led to their death in this country.
The shameful part is, all the other politicians now using this as ammo to reinforce the 'stay in' argument. It's sickening. I'm vote leave personally. But seeing how these pigs are USING this poor womans death as a chip to play in politics really should be a criminal defence...
****ing scum.
The shameful part is, all the other politicians now using this as ammo to reinforce the 'stay in' argument. It's sickening. I'm vote leave personally. But seeing how these pigs are USING this poor womans death as a chip to play in politics really should be a criminal defence...
****ing scum.
I'm not sure using someone's death to push a cause they were passionate about in life is actually very shameful at all.
Referencing a different issue, but anyway:
I'm not sure using someone's death to push a cause they were passionate about in life is actually very shameful at all.
Referencing a different issue, but anyway:
But it irrationally gives one side a benefit that is also entirely irrelevant to the real issue of campaign aggravation.
When it comes to say being killed by Turkish police for be annoying or being run over in Russia for calling Putin a dick I accept the justification.
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Nigel Farage has also used the murder to deflect criticism of UKIP's latest poster. Disgusting.