*****My WOT4 MK2 Nitro RC Plane Assembly Log****

Quite a heavy setup for a slow stick surely. I'd be more tempted to go for a 2s setup on something like that. My dad's GWD Beaver is on a 2408 (BP21) motor and a 2s1200 Loong max tipples. It is a lovely low speed setup which can float about and give you a few hours to react to it. :p

Or is the idea there to get the extra weight to make it handle higher wind speeds better? I'll be honest I am a little out of the loop these days, been a few years since I have flown regularly!

Edit - But I would definitely go the electric parkflyer route. No need for a club and you can get such cheap and easy to fly ones if you crash it then it doesn't matter. :D I still fly my old Formosa that has been through the wars, means I don't care if it does hit the ground hard (it has done it a few times already!).
 
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Quite a heavy setup for a slow stick surely. I'd be more tempted to go for a 2s setup on something like that. My dad's GWD Beaver is on a 2408 (BP21) motor and a 2s1200 Loong max tipples. It is a lovely low speed setup which can float about and give you a few hours to react to it. :p

Or is the idea there to get the extra weight to make it handle higher wind speeds better? I'll be honest I am a little out of the loop these days, been a few years since I have flown regularly!

Edit - But I would definitely go the electric parkflyer route. No need for a club and you can get such cheap and easy to fly ones if you crash it then it doesn't matter. :D I still fly my old Formosa that has been through the wars, means I don't care if it does hit the ground hard (it has done it a few times already!).
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slow sticks were originally designed to fly with heavy packs, brushed motors and normal size servos. They fly fine like that. With the dihedral they are incredibly forgiving too. A decent brushless setup and they get more interesting but there is no need as a trainer (but the best reason to go brushless and lipo is to reuse the parts in something more interesting later).
 
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Magic_x_uk said:
anything that is a slow flying model, high wing, (ie the wing fits on the top of the model).

They may not be as pretty as a cap, acrowot, sukhoi, mustang and spitfire etc, but you have to start with something that is forgiving. That fly's itself pretty much.

Electric maybe a good idea to start with. I know so many people who want to fly rc and they pick a spitfire for eg, it is in no way a model to start with.

http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=37259
http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=13653
those models, your rc gear would fit in fine.

Just to give you a idea

Stop worrying about carrying a cam, you need to learn to fly, land, turn, wind problems, deadstick etc before all that

also looking at the damage in the photos you have uploaded, just looks to be like the mounting for the undercarriage. Clean it up, make sure no fuel residue on there, get some 1-2 hour epoxy on there and it should be fine, recover and job done.
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Exactly his wott 4 can be fixed so there is no point transferring all the nitro stuff, just learn to fly, fix and go.
 
Skidder said:
slow sticks were originally designed to fly with heavy packs, brushed motors and normal size servos. They fly fine like that. With the dihedral they are incredibly forgiving too. A decent brushless setup and they get more interesting but there is no need as a trainer (but the best reason to go brushless and lipo is to reuse the parts in something more interesting later).
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Fair enough there, I had forgotten just how heavy the old nimh packs were!
 
My slow stick happily takes a 2800 li-po + a Nokia N95 phone strapped on somewhere.

Makes the wings flex a little more mind. :D

It seems to fly better on an 1800 pack. If you go much lighter on the battery and motor I reckon it would become hard to balance it. If i'm running an 1800 pack I have to shove it right up front near the motor. Not sure if that's just me?
 
Am sorry to see the crash shot.

I am not trying to sound like an arse but I did warn you.... :( (:mad:)

If you are going to teach yourself how to fly alone; you need to give yourself as much chance as possible and stack things in your favour by starting out with a slow flying electric plane, preferably made from EPO foam which will survive all but the worst types of crash. Jumping straight in alone with glowplug engines and balsa wood constructed models spells disaster.

The AXN Floater Jet is a good plug and fly EPO foam model.

The GWS Slow Stick is not made from EPO foam but as I said a few pages back it is the best starter plane as it has very slow flying characteristics and it is near impossible to get the thing in an uncontrollable dive/spin (unless you really try to). I have a very good brushless shopping list ready if you decide to go for the slow stick.

Don't give up on this hobby as there is much enjoyment to be had from it. But listen to the advice of others a bit more :p... It will save you not only in cash but also heartache!

If the damage to the WOT 4 is unrepairable: Do not make the same mistake twice and pick your next plane purely on how fast it can fly or how nice it looks.. Master the basics first. Remember; you want to give yourself an advantage and not end up with another crash.

It is possible to teach yourself how to fly alone with no help from a club but only if you choose the correct plane and do not go steaming in to the hobby.

Don't give up! :)
 
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I am stuck on picking a slow flying model, granted the GWS Slow stick looks good and offers quite a decent flight, I am seeing it for £30 but this excludes all the electrics etc?

How much am I looking at realistically?

I don't want to be spending too much on this slow flyer, but I don't want it to be crap and blow everywhere in the slightest of wind.

Any other alternatives that are recommended? That AXN Floater-Jet doesnt look too bad actually although it looks like these have to be imported?

What receiver would be best? something like a Spektrum AR500? I have a AR7000 for my WOT but this would be overkill but may save me from needing another receiver?
 
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DJMK4 said:
I am stuck on picking a slow flying model, granted the GWS Slow stick looks good and offers quite a decent flight, I am seeing it for £30 but this excludes all the electrics etc?

How much am I looking at realistically?

I don't want to be spending too much on this slow flyer, but I don't want it to be crap and blow everywhere in the slightest of wind.

Any other alternatives that are recommended? That AXN Floater-Jet doesnt look too bad actually.

What receiver would be best? something like a Spektrum AR500? I have a AR7000 for my WOT but this would be overkill but may save me from needing another receiver?
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you can use your ar7000 but if you want to get a parklyer one like a 6100 you could, as the range would be fine

the slow stick doesn't fly well in big winds but it's not intended to, it's going to be summer you're learning in so I would think you will still get plenty of stick time. It flys better in wind if you don't make it too light (ie normal servos, pack not too small)

It comes either with power system (a brushed motor with plenty of power to learn with) or without - you will see some price difference based on that.

With motor ones you will still need battery, charger, ECS, without motor, add a motor obviously.

You could choose to go brushless from the beginning to get good reuse from the electronics

You could go for something like that floater jet (the prop in that position is handy for learning as you will break fewer (but they cost peanuts anyway) - it looks like a copy of a multiplex model, there are plenty around like that. Will be good for learning too but still not for high winds. Let's face it, learning to fly in high winds is not wise anyway

Do you have any battery charger? If you do that could help you make the decision in terms of whether it works for Nimh, Lipo etc.
 
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Yeah I have a Imax-B6 Balance Charger which is pretty good.

I will have to have a little think about this. Not sure what to do/go for as yet, and what to do with my WOT.

I could easily buy another WOT kit and just use the hardware that I have, the new kit only costs £70, new fuselage, new wings, wheels etc but I will still need a cheap trainer but limited on money atm.
 
DJMK4 said:
Yeah I have a Imax-B6 Balance Charger which is pretty good.

I will have to have a little think about this. Not sure what to do/go for as yet, and what to do with my WOT.

I could easily buy another WOT kit and just use the hardware that I have, the new kit only costs £70, new fuselage, new wings, wheels etc but I will still need a cheap trainer but limited on money atm.
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I honestly would leave the wot alone for a bit. As you have a lipo charger I think it's a no brainer. Get the basic slow stick (about £20 without motor), couple of lipos, spare props, ESC and brushless from Hobby King and whip your servos and receiver out of the wot.

All told you will be in the air for less than £50 (you can easily get the bits you need from hobby king for less than £30 delivered) and with only a couple of hours assembly time.

You will have a successful flying experience, learn the basics and then be able to move on. You can even add an aileron wing to the slow stick as an intermediary step before going back to nitro or more complex electrics (my brother in law has a wing kit which turns the slow stick into a manageable aerobat)
 
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I honestly would leave the wot alone for a bit. As you have a lipo charger I think it's a no brainer. Get the basic slow stick (about £20 without motor), couple of lipos, spare props, ESC and brushless from Hobby King and whip your servos and receiver out of the wot.

All told you will be in the air for less than £50 (you can easily get the bits you need from hobby king for less than £30 delivered) and with only a couple of hours assembly time.

You will have a successful flying experience, learn the basics and then be able to move on. You can even add an aileron wing to the slow stick as an intermediary step before going back to nitro or more complex electrics (my brother in law has a wing kit which turns the slow stick into a manageable aerobat)
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Thanks for the info thus far, as I have no experience with any of the electrical models, would you be able to help with what I would need from hobby king assuming they are UK based?

When you say rip my servo's out my WOT, don't the slow stick use micro servo's?

There doesnt look like there is a massive amount of room to hold these servo's and battery on the slow stick? wouldn't they use micro servo's?
 
normal servos work fine in a slow stick, obviously if it is lighter (ie micro servos or smaller) it will be more responsive.

Hobby King is in Hong Kong and is very, very cheap and worth the shipping charge (as long as you are not buying one prop or something)

I can try and help you with slow stick motors etc. but I haven't flown a slow stick in 4 years so you may be better off reading the info here for example:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1214309

I used these motors and ESCs they recommend in that thread with no prob in several of my early planes

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...werPro_BM2408-21T_/_18A_BEC_/_1047_Prop_Combo

mount needed to http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6782

but there are loads of options

If you don't want to take servos out of your wot, HK has cheap, pretty good park flyer servos too
 
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buy it then, build it and try and fly again.

Forget your wot4 for a while. Start slowly and work your way up.

in time you will be confident in your ability.
 
DJMK4 said:
Ta for the info, will be looking in to this,

Just spoke to a shop aswel, and they said this is a pretty good trainer! easy to fly and good to learn with.

All that is needed is a lipo battery and reciever

http://www.kingslynnmodelshop.co.uk...odel_Discovery_ARTF_Trainer/product_info.html
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the point of recommending the slow stick is that it is VERY easy to learn. It has dihedral so is self correcting, it has a large wing area so flies slow and it is resilient and cheap and easy to repair.

The plane you link above is a high wing trainer and as such it is much more appropriate than most things you have looked at, it is also made of EPO foam which is no bad thing. Nevertheless it has ailerons and no dihedral, as such it is much harder to fly than a slow stick. It will fly much the same as your wott4, which you crashed. It will survive a crash better though or at least be easier to repair.

I've given my advice..........
 
With all due respect DJMK4, you dont listen. I and many others on here warned you many times not to do it yourself due to lack of experience and knowledge, the internet can only help so much. But you did and look what happened.

I see if so many times at the field with people wishing to join and learn to fly.
Everyone starts pretty much with a 40 size trainer. It is on the market for a reason.

Get a slow flying model and learn slowly.

People have linked to suitable models for you. Thats all the info you need.
 
Magic_x_uk said:
With all due respect DJMK4, you dont listen. I and many others on here warned you many times not to do it yourself due to lack of experience and knowledge, the internet can only help so much. But you did and look what happened.

I see if so many times at the field with people wishing to join and learn to fly.
Everyone starts pretty much with a 40 size trainer. It is on the market for a reason.

Get a slow flying model and learn slowly.

People have linked to suitable models for you. Thats all the info you need.
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Not being disrespectful here, as I am concidering all options and taking in all advice, but over on the RC Groups forum, a lot of people have mixed reviews on some of the suggestions, however people have been also giving good reviews on the ST including this post.

I am looking at the slow stick, aswel as other models, however I will make a sensible decision

"A young kid (? 10 years old) came to the field last weekend and flew the ST discovery. Just pitched up and flew. I thought he knew how to fly, turns out it was his first flight and the plane's maiden flight. It looked like it's CoG was all wrong but he did two flights and two reasonable landings! It certainly looks quite a benign plane given the fact that the balance seemed off."
 
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