Poll: National service not a bad thing?

Would twelve months National Service benefit our society and culture?

  • Yes

    Votes: 293 57.3%

  • No

    Votes: 218 42.7%
  • Total voters
    511
Arazi said:
Maybe some kind of national service or Gov run scheme like helping the fire service or ambulance service etc could be made compulsory for anyone who has no future\job\in education etc mapped out by the age of 21.

If you are fit and able in body and mind then there should be no reason, what excuse would you have by having nothing in place by 21?
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You want chavs running the Ambulance service?
 
easyrider said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing .

National Service would make the decision void for the youngsters...

Being to young to know anything themselves :p
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as has been pointed out you could still join up part time now

since you've not experienced it yet seem to think this thing you've not experienced is a good thing for everyone to experience
 
It would never work here now.

By definition, society encourages people to be selfish and driven. That's the nature of the beast the capitalist machine has created.

A better option would be to offer incentives to get involved with National Service or infrastructure.

Imagine being able to go.... Volunteer to do this for a year and afterwards you can go to Uni with half price tuition fees.

Wouldn't it be positive and highly rewarding for youngsters to hold the claim they built the national flood defences?

Make it educational in some way or don't bother.
 
easyrider said:
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Sorry, I'm too old to have any clue who that is. :)

You've got to see some irony? A sentence suggesting "The Young" en mass :( are to young to know anything themselves.

Or is it a case of?

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easyrider said:
A re-giggling of job seekers allowance. (is it still called that)



The youth of today are ugly human beings with spoilt tenancies...

Purely to educate and find themselves and give them purpose and self respect.
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So those that have already "found themselves, have purpose and have self respect" will be exempt?
 
And what about those who chose to take a career in the armed forces only to find themselves lumped with, and quite possibly putting their life in the hands of, some chavvy scrotes from a sink estate who don't want to be there? Or will this scheme of yours run parallel to the real armed forces?
 
Quite easy...you have not thought it through, especially with the armed forces, you can segregate the idiots and put them out first (with the numpty officers, plenty of them) move those without the attitude to better regiments.

As before

Fire service
Ambulance Service
Armed Forces
Police (to some degree)

I think given the chance the chavs will turn into decent people, given the chance. a lot of them have no chance or very little chances.
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
It would never work here now.

By definition, society encourages people to be selfish and driven. That's the nature of the beast the capitalist machine has created.

A better option would be to offer incentives to get involved with National Service or infrastructure.

Imagine being able to go.... Volunteer to do this for a year and afterwards you can go to Uni with half price tuition fees.

Wouldn't it be positive and highly rewarding for youngsters to hold the claim they built the national flood defences?

Make it educational in some way or don't bother.
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y'know, thats not a half bad idea, fixing up the roads etc would be great, kinda like community service only for a reward rather than as a punishment.

only problem is making sure the benefits of something like free uni fee's etc is drilled in, not all appreciate just how much the debt ends up being.
 
the sheer social arrogance of most of these posts is mind blowing,

If there is a national service EVERYONE no matter "chav" or Eton schoolboy should be forced to do it and to live together and work together.

You don't just make this up to be some unemployment back to work scheme.
You are all fundamentally, completely 100% missing the point.

It's everyone 18+ M or F for 2 years or don't bother.
It will ruin lives and careers and future prospects of some and it will make the lives and careers of others.

and now #you want people to work on the chain gang breaking rocks to build roads?
Mindboggling, i assume you all think you are above this nonsense, id love to see anyone here start a program like this tommrow.
 
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easyrider said:
No 17 year olds has found themselves.
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Qualifying yourself to make that judgement, then posting a thread on social media of what you think all 17 y/o should do, with little to no consideration of the range of personalities we are discussing, is virtually a definiton of narcissism imho.
 
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Efour said:
It's everyone 18+ M or F for 2 years or don't bother.
It will ruin lives and careers and future prospects of some and it will make the lives and careers of others.
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If this happened in a couple of years time how many young people would it affect?
Who would look after them?
It's hard enough getting a young person a weeks Work Experience with all the H&S, form filling and staff who don't want to help.
It was different in my Dad's day, there was none of this red tape so they could send 1000s off to Germany and other places and one Sargeant could control 100s of them.
 
Efour said:
and now #you want people to work on the chain gang breaking rocks to build roads?
Mindboggling, i assume you all think you are above this nonsense, id love to see anyone here start a program like this tommrow.
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It's almost like there isn't a pre-existing system that exchanges people's time and skills for tokens that can later be redeemed for university education called 'being employed'.

If the roads need fixing up then get people experienced in road building and the operation of the relevant machinery to do it, not a bunch of school leavers with shovels and pickaxes and such a low opinion of themselves that they think doing something purely for the experience is a worthwhile pursuit. Learning the value of your own labour is an equally important lesson for people to learn.
 
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