Need for Speed: Shift 2: Unleashed

Struggling a bit on the 4th Retro tournament, a bit baffled to be honest.

Noticing I was struggling I upgraded the **** out of my M3, i.e. I swapped the engine out for a V10 and did a Works conversion. It now has a PR of 1977 which is around 4-5x that of the stock M3. That didn't work so I've then spent a lot of time tuning but it just doesn't seem to be dominating the AI cars like I'd expect. I don't get it, fair enough if they were packing Mclaren F1s but they are just driving normal retro cars like me, surely if I've bought the best retro car that isn't an F1 and then upgraded to the maximum possible I should be leaving these muppets for dead?

Now obviously driving skill is required and I wouldn't regard myself as a good driver in this game. But even so at the very least I should be able to make up some ground on the straights when I've got my foot to the floor? It just feels like braking later is the only way I can close the gap which surely shouldn't be the case with a V10 Works car.
 
Shift 2 still freezing and crashing for me. Always Exception Code: c0000005
I was wondering, do you think it would be worth me buying the game again, but retail copy on disc this time, and delete my steam download? I just don't know if installing from a disc would somehow magically make the difference? I can buy it on disc for £19.99.
 
God damnit. :mad:

Been playing some more over the past week, winning some races, building up my XP/Cash/Garage etc. Just tried a classic muscle series and said right mofos, I'm gonna buy a Shelby 427 (easily the best classic muscle car looking at the stats), and got it FULLY upgraded, yep that best of every upgrade (except I didn't do an engine swap as that would have made it a lot slower). Yep that all engine, forced induction, tyres, brakes, nitrous, weight reduction - you name it, I've slapped it on the car.

And then what happens - I get ripped to shreds by AI cars that fly off the line, if I'm lucky enough not to get barged off the track on the first corner I might be able to keep the leaders in my sights for half a lap or so, but they have ridiculous pace.

This pretty much confirmed my suspicions I'd had based on the Retro series, that there is some kind of AI scaling going on. Did some googling, and it appears this is the case :(

This is terrible, as I suspect it means that the best thing you can do is NOT to upgrade your cars much at all, maybe even deliberately buy slow ones. It probably explains why I nearly always dominate the Loaner car events, because they don't have upgrades applied.

I'm actually quite ****ed off about this, as I've put quite a few hours into the game and inspite of the frequent crashes (especially on startup) I was enjoying it for the most part, and was expecting to complete it. But I'm so drained of energy after losing say 20 races despite the fact that I should have the best car on the track and am much more competitive in slower cars.
 
Is there any way to set your cash so I can buy all cars, not doing the career be wise I can't do drifting with the wheel, annoys me too much.
 
I think AI scaling is better as it gives you more of a challenge.Nothing worse than upgrading your motor only to be half a lap ahead of the AI after every race.I do agree it can be punishing at times though.
 
It's absolutely hideous though, as it means there is absolutely NO incentive to upgrade your car for races, only for timed events. In fact it's worse than not having an incentive, it's actually a dis-incentive, and promotes being boring and just sticking with stock low PR cars.

The whole point of the PR should be in terms of limiting what events you can enter, e.g. not rocking up to a category E event in a category A motor, I get that. But some of the events are restricted by type of car, not category, so logically you should be able to spend cash to get more and more competitive, not less.

As for the whole "Nothing worse than upgrading your motor only to be half a lap ahead of the AI after every race", the point is that under that model you can choose whether you upgrade or not, i.e. YOU are in control of the difficulty for unrestricted events - you can rock up in your normal motor, then if you find it tough going, start upgrading parts until you are competitive. Whereas with this AI scaling farce, it potentially makes things harder because in faster cars you've got less margin for error.

This reminds me a lot of the stunt they pulled with Pro Street where near the end I was struggling on a timed challenge when driving my ubercar (Zonda with over 1000bhp). In the end I found that if I switched to my Viper with only 850bhp it set me a slower target time and of course that was easier to hit, because sticking to your line is easier in a slower vehicle.

I'm literally fuming (sat here grinding my teeth) at this nonsense as the way I play racing games like this always been

Try event
If win try next event
If failing by a large margin buy better car / upgrade
Try again
If failing start experimenting with tuning
Try again
If failing come and whine on a forum about it


Whereas it seems for Shift 2 the optimal strategy would be:

Buy the slowest car you can for each category
Win the races
Buy a fast/upgraded car to do the timed challenges
Win the timed challenges
Game complete

Now to be fair although I didn't particularly like the handling for the drift events, compared to the races they were at least challenging in a GOOD way, i.e. it was a case of putting the hours in learning how to handle each corners, doing some tuning to suit the track etc etc. I don't want to give them impression I want some easy game where you just turn up and win, I'm happy to fight for a victory if it is done in a realistic and fair fashion, based on both the vehicle you are driving and the skill with which you drive it, rather than artifcially boosting your opponents because you've got a nice set of wheels.
 
cant say anyone else has had the problems you do...

i found most races fairly easy with upgrades or not. the games suposed to be a bit challeneging whats the point if your car is basicly a different class to the AI ones? it makes sense they should be in cars that have roughly the same performance rating you do or its not a race anymore...
 
Hello Guys,

Just got this and see, to have a strange bug where the grass at the tracksides is all stood up very strange like higher than the car, anyone any ideas? Specs are in my sig if that helps.
 
^I've seen that on some tracks, I assumed it was normal.

As for the AI Scaling the main issue I have with it is that it doesn't just mean the game is the same difficulty the more you upgrade, it actually increases the difficulty.

Great example, having found this out I went back and tried some of the retro events that I had been struggling with in my PR1977 BMW M3, and instead used a category C Skyline (PR998 or something like that). I won every event first time! And this was in a car with HALF the performance rating of the one where I found getting podiums extremely tough on some tracks.

Also been doing GT3 and GT1 events, GT3 was an absolute breeze, just bought the Ford and then deliberately DIDN'T upgrade it, making it fairly easy to annihilate the opposition.

Problem I've got is some of the earlier events where the only vehicles I can enter are heavily upgraded, guess I'm gonna have to splash more cash on buying an unpgraded vehicle to complete those ones.
 
Not sure why but I decided to play this on the PC. For some silly reason the game crashes when loading race 3 of 5 in the Works championship. It doesn't crash to desktop, it just sits there trying to load the race. I've left it for 10 mins and it just won't load, and I can't unlock GT1 without doing it. Any ideas?
 
i had that bug a few times usually i just restarted the game and it was fine loading after..

pain in the **** though put me off bothering with the last few events
 
arknor said:
i had that bug a few times usually i just restarted the game and it was fine loading after..

pain in the **** though put me off bothering with the last few events
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It's only happened in the Works Championship so far and I can't progress unless I can beat it. It does exactly the same if I pick a different car on the same course as a quick race so I'm guessing I may have a corrupted file somewhere. Re-downloading the game, takes 5 hours :(
 
I've had it be VERY slow loading races before, i.e. say 4x longer than normal, you have to be patient and I also found that alt-tabbing out, then back in again, then pressing Enter, then waiting say 20s can help (you will hear sound effect when pressing Enter).
 
HangTime said:
I've had it be VERY slow loading races before, i.e. say 4x longer than normal, you have to be patient and I also found that alt-tabbing out, then back in again, then pressing Enter, then waiting say 20s can help (you will hear sound effect when pressing Enter).
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Thanks very much for the idea. Re-downloading didn't work and your idea didn't either. It just seems to be borked completely :(

Never mind. Perhaps they'll fix it by the end of the year lol
 
Is there a 'memory leak' in this game? It's been suggested on the steam forums since several people get framerate drops after playing it for a while. I also get framerate drops. Reloading the game normally cures it for a while. But in general, it's pretty laggy. It's also been suggested that windows 7 service pack 1 could cause issues. Anyone know anything about that? I'd uninstall my SP1 to test it, but it's not possible.
 
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