New and shocking footage of British troops torturing Iraqis...

Slam62 said:
@ jimmy<snip>
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None of that excuses such behaviour. If they are unable to handle the pressures of war then they are in the wrong profession. Period!

These men are representing our country and are supposed to be representing a more civillised way of life. They have let the whole country down and should be punished accordingly. How are we supposed to implement law & order in Iraq when it is obvious that we cannot practice what we preach? The middle east already thinks that the west is corrupt and hypocritical. Events like these do nothing but prove them right.
 
i was just trying to be realistic, i think the same applies to the football team
i think you,ll find most struggle to get a job anywhere else (at least one that isnt mind nummingly boring) in reality they shouldnt have done what they appeared to be doing. I just dont like to judge people doing a difficult job in a nasty situation, especially if i'm not prepared to do the job myself.
 
What are you on Donald?!!, any Friday night in Edinburgh sees beatings handed out by the dozen, Glasgow (my hometown) has the highest violence per capita than most of the World, and you are critisising a few beatings on the streets of a a "war zone"....PLEASE!!
 
aumz said:
I have only ever known 1 person join the armed forces, he was not very bright in school and how he got into college I will never know (think it was GCSE resits) , very stupid and immature person if truth be told. When he told me he joined up I was shocked that someone like him could get into the armed forces.
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Are you insinuating that the Armed Forces is made up of "stupid, immature and not very bright" people.

Surely not ?


I've seen the video and think they [iraqi's] deserved everything they got tbh, in fact i think it should happen more often, maybe it'll make them think twice about their actions in the future.
 
They stoned the soldiers and got caught then got a beating. In sadam's day they would have ended up in a ditch with one in the back of the head. A long with half their familys, they probley got took home to their mothers or their mothers came and picked them up. It may have been sore at the time but getting hit with bricks is sore to.
 
Dingo said:
What are you on Donald?!!, any Friday night in Edinburgh sees beatings handed out by the dozen, Glasgow (my hometown) has the highest violence per capita than most of the World, and you are critisising a few beatings on the streets of a a "war zone"....PLEASE!!
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Erm...so you are comparing this to a bit of a scrap outside a pub? :rolleyes:
 
JimmyEatWorms said:
Of course I wouldn't but if the soldiers were not behaving like scum in the first place then the media would have nothing to report. Resposibility lies with the soldiers and their commanding officers...not the media for doing axactly what they are supposed to do.
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yeh, soldiers that you call scum that are out there risking their lives trying to protect the very people in that country, soldiers that are being attack by rocks and some say home made grenades and you expect them just to walk over and do what, make a citizens arrest, come off it, they got off lightly, this is'nt a stroll in hyde park with a couple of chavs givin you grief, this is soldiers at war in a country where kids carry around semi atomatic weapons :( , why is there never an uproar on these forums like this when our soldiers get taken and get beheaded live on tv, etc :(.
 
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On the one hand I understand the arguement that they are meant to be more profesional etc but I really think the guy behind the camera makes people react more than they otherwise would. The beatings being handed out are nothing that arn't seen in riot control situations the world over and that includes the uk when detainees dont behave themselves.

The whole thing has become a bigger thing that it is.
 
This is precisely why the effectiveness of warfare was compromised with the advent of technology such as video cameras (of all types). Suddenly the people at home are subjected to the harsh brutalities of conflict and the sort of acts carried out by armed forces, and it's all too much.
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
 
Doonhamer said:
On the one hand I understand the arguement that they are meant to be more profesional etc but I really think the guy behind the camera makes people react more than they otherwise would. The beatings being handed out are nothing that arn't seen in riot control situations the world over and that includes the uk when detainees dont behave themselves.

The whole thing has become a bigger thing that it is.
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Exactly, you watch some of the london riots, police are beating just about everyone they can find with thier battons.
 
Sleepy said:
err you do realise that most of the violence is Iraqi v Iraqi, mainly driven by religious/political differences. Also the foreign insurgants aren't as significant in the anti Coalition forces as they were 2 years ago. Lets also forget that anti US violence began to rise significantly after the prison scandel broke.

Lets hope this isn't a big motivator for people contemplating violence against British forces in the SEAllways? With no limits?Iranian troops do not represent me nor do they act on my behalf. British troops do. Slight difference.
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Sleepy, I wish I lived in your world.

Wake up !

British troops do not act on YOUR behalf, or else they would not be there now.
 
Doonhamer said:
On the one hand I understand the arguement that they are meant to be more profesional etc but I really think the guy behind the camera makes people react more than they otherwise would. The beatings being handed out are nothing that arn't seen in riot control situations the world over and that includes the uk when detainees dont behave themselves.

The whole thing has become a bigger thing that it is.
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But it WASN'T a riot control scenario. THEY WERE ALREADY IN CUSTODY!!! Are people just completely ignoring this fact?
 
lowrider007 said:
Sorry I have'nt read the enterity of the thread, but, tbh it don't make a difference if they was in custody or not, I think either way they still got off very lightly.
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How can you say that when you haven't the faintest idea what they did?
 
Doonhamer said:
The whole thing has become a bigger thing that it is.
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And thanks to our very own media we're more than likely to put more soldiers at risk. Not too many seem so concerned for them.

It would be interesting to see if those that have been so horrified by these kids getting beaten up would make the same noise if a soldier gets killed by rioting Iraqi's fuelled by what happened two years ago. Let's hope that doesn't happen eh?
 
I am againt the war, yes, but, since troops are there these things will happen, and who is to blame the soldiers? If I was serving in the desert and saw a fellow soldier dying from head wounds because a kid threw a rock on his head, then I would most probably do what the servicemen did. I would also be throwing rocks at the troops if I was an Iraki kid and some soldiers where occupying my country.

However that guy's voice is damn right worrying, here's something I found on SA http://rapidshare.de/files/13142206/b9-4208470078.mp3
 
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