And then they'll put the rioting iraqis down to the illegal war (or something) when in fact they are only rioting because they found out about the video. Well done News of the World, can't you go back to reporting that Danni Minogue had a lesbian romp in a strip club?i know nothing said:
New and shocking footage of British troops torturing Iraqis...
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ANd you don't think that the actions of the soldiers put OTHER soldier at risk? Many people on these forums seem to be all for freedom of the press when muslims are being ridiculed but suddenly change their tune when something that they don't like pops up.
Funny that, eh?
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Unless you were there you can't possibly know.
Ok, well then go to the very top, say the PM (as much as you probably dislike him) or someone else, and show them the video. Something will get done.JimmyEatWorms said:
Don't print it in National newspapers, where it will quite clearly be seen by millions, inciting murderous hatred amongst Iraqis, and possibly causing the death of an innocent British soldier!
Yes, it's freedom of the press, but for god's sake be responsible.
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JimmyEatWorms said:
tbh i'm far from beleiving in freedom of the press when they are ridiculing muslin extremists, they can and do turn what can be a small rally of anti-west muslims burning the britsh or american flag and portray it as the entire muslim faith against us, which I beleive is not the case.
I cant understand why the whole things such a big deal, I`ve seen worse beatings in the middle of town on a saturday night!
seriously though, it does look kinda bad but i can understand why it happens, pressures of being in a warzone, being trained to be aggressive, etc
what were the official procedures 2 years ago for dealing with rioters, looters , etc?
seriously though, it does look kinda bad but i can understand why it happens, pressures of being in a warzone, being trained to be aggressive, etc
what were the official procedures 2 years ago for dealing with rioters, looters , etc?
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Did you say the same about the Mohammed cartoons. These probably put British lives at risk too. And do you honestly think that the Iraqis don't alredy know these incidents are happening. Do you honestly think these boys never told anybody about what happened to them when they were dragged into that compound? If our soldiers didn't behave like thugs then the tabloids wouldn't have anything to report for Iraqis to get upset about.
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JimmyEatWorms said:
I'm sorry but that is a weak argument, I'm just going by what i,ve read/heard on the news, If we could'nt beleive in anything that we was'nt actually there to witness in person then there would'nt be much point in forming an opinion on pretty much anything at all really
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I never disputed that them 'acting like thugs' was wrong, but this is quite clearly going to put Pvt. Bloggs even more at risk than he already is! And I have absolutely no view on the Mohammed cartoons, given that they've incited such hatred (even though it is wrong) and the fact that they've caused destruction of Danish embassys (and could've incited murder) it would denote that they shouldn't have been printed. Way to go to assume I wanted the cartoons printed in newspapers.JimmyEatWorms said:
I can understand the use of violence in a situation like that to get things under control. And I don't think anybody here is suggesting that we should sit them down, offer them a cup of tea and try to instil in them wholesome Western values through a rousing speech.
However, they *did* go over-the-top and that is what I think riles most people who are objecting to the methods used in the video. Once the rioters (who do indeed look like youths) had been subdued and were on the ground offering no resistance, the troops continued to lay into them. One of the Iraqis even gets a swift kick to the groin, and that just ain't cricket.
The worst thing is the guy doing the commentary. If nothing else comes of this, he seriously needs dealing with -- that kind of behaviour is pretty sickening. Even if beating up some kids is necessary to put down a riot, taking enjoyment in it certainly isn't.
However, they *did* go over-the-top and that is what I think riles most people who are objecting to the methods used in the video. Once the rioters (who do indeed look like youths) had been subdued and were on the ground offering no resistance, the troops continued to lay into them. One of the Iraqis even gets a swift kick to the groin, and that just ain't cricket.
The worst thing is the guy doing the commentary. If nothing else comes of this, he seriously needs dealing with -- that kind of behaviour is pretty sickening. Even if beating up some kids is necessary to put down a riot, taking enjoyment in it certainly isn't.
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Stringy said:
I didn't assume anything. I asked a question. Iknow for a fact that there are people on here (well mainly on SC really) that would have no problem with the Mohammed cartoons and would still attack the NOTW for reporting this story.
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I've already told you that two wrongs don't make a right. Let the courts martial deal with them but not the News of the World please!JimmyEatWorms said:
I don't like the idea of the press putting peoples lives at risk, and no, I don't find that funny at all. I'm guessing that the last bit of your post is directed at someone with whom you have crossed paths with in the past. With freedom comes responsibility, the actions of the News of the World in this case hardly seem responsible to me.
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The war/soldiers kicking heads/cheney with shotgun/Dubya bush/oil mongers weren't responsible either!
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Well it isn't the point is it? The paper was extremely lacking in responsibility when it printed the pictures as it put lives at risk needlessly. That's not to say other people haven't done that already (before someone says it) but the NOTW have clearly never heard of the word 'tact' before.
this post was meant to back up the quoted one, despite the confusing start
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It's not a case of two wrongs making a right. There is no "right" here just a lot of wrongs. If the British Army want to be seen as a positive presence in Iraq then they need to do everything in their power to weed out the elements that carry out acts like these. Do you honestly think that if this was not made public that anything would have hapened? I doubt it.
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I have to ask why did the NOTW not hand that video straight to the MoD if it gave a damn so much ? Did they have to put it in the papers ?
Another gaffe by what is for me, the worst **** rag paper of them all.
Another gaffe by what is for me, the worst **** rag paper of them all.
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Stringy said:
My reply was to JimmyEatsWorms. I think we have a case of friendly fire here!
Oh come on, read the disclaimer, the beginning of my post was what I figured someone would say in reply to your post, and I was replying to the pre emptive fictional reply that was based on nothing but conjecture on my part.i know nothing said:
Surely it's not that hard to understand.