new car e39

look at all the beema boys out in force! :D

wouldn't be offended/embarrased that Mr W is now one of your motley crew would you guys? :D

just by the responce alone i hope it lasts you a long time danny :p (it won't, but still...)

I too was wondering what percentage of the response are valid points and what percentage are not wanting to share model/marque with such a dipstick :D:p
 
I too was wondering what percentage of the response are valid points and what percentage are not wanting to share model/marque with such a dipstick :D:p

Good point actually.

I remember a few threads regarding e36s & e39s and have never, ever once seen anybody mention the cooling system being such a major issue...
 
I remember a few threads regarding e36s & e39s and have never, ever once seen anybody mention the cooling system being such a major issue...

What? It's mentioned in every single E39 thread on here. Every one. Cant speak for the E36 as its not my area of knowledge.

Everyone who knows E39's knows the cooling system is the weak link. Like I said, in America, its normal for people to change them as a 'serviceable item' at approx 60k miles...

Of the regulars on this forum with E39's both myself, Pete and Olly own or have owned 6 pot E39's. And we've ALL had the *same* cooling system problems. It happens to all of them (Though oddly its far, far less common with the diesels which have a slightly different cooling system).

A quick search of previous threads on E39's..

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18089536

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18058366

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18052700

etc all mention cooling system.

I think its pretty clear that there is dissapointment amongst regulars that DannyW has turned to yet another marque to abuse and bodge but none of the comments in the thread are anything other than genuine, credible opinion.

Why do you think when I had a Mondeo I was in every single 'SPec me a car' thread pimping Mondeos yet unless specifically mentioned I'll rarely suggest a big 6 pot BMW? Because the Mondeo was a hardy, reliable, no hassle workhouse whereas older big 6 pot BMW's can and often are a liability :p
 
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^ I think it's more the keyboard-ready stance that has been taken about the car which he was talking about, not necessarily the specifics of the issue.

It is clear that you are not offering advice to him, you (several, in fact) are trying to ward him off of BMW car ownership altogether!

I say, keep it to yourself if you wish this car to fall to pieces, and to Danny - if you can get a year out of it without a major hitch you've had a rather good deal I say.

(I'd just like to add - I'm in no way defending DannyW, I am merely a peacekeeper :p)
 
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I remember a few threads regarding e36s & e39s and have never, ever once seen anybody mention the cooling system being such a major issue...

To be fair, its never been swept under the carpet and any questions i've had over it were always answered in an unbiased way, although not from anyone posting in this thread as far as im aware.

It just not a topic dwelled on, especially given the amount of discussions regarding it relative to bmw threads/posts.

Is an interesting topic though how BMW for all their graces, can fail so badly with such an horrific design flaw.

It's not like its a recent issue either, cooling problems go back a long way.

Just out of interest, how do the newer engines fare cooling wise?
 
How did you insure it if you didnt know what it was ? Hell how could you buy it and think its a 525i when it says 523i on the back ? Though, correct me if im wrong but the 23i, 25i, and 28i are all the same engine anyway ?
 
I simply dont accept its not a topic dwelled on. I am always bemoaning crap BMW cooling systems as for obvious reasons its a pet hate of mine.

Every time we have a things you hate about your car thread i am in there ranting, I dedicated paragraphs to it in my e39 guide and everyone who asks for advice on e39s gets told about it.
 
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What? It's mentioned in every single E39 thread on here. Every one. Cant speak for the E36 as its not my area of knowledge.

Everyone who knows E39's knows the cooling system is the weak link. Like I said, in America, its normal for people to change them as a 'serviceable item' at approx 60k miles...

Of the regulars on this forum with E39's both myself, Pete and Olly own or have owned 6 pot E39's. And we've ALL had the *same* cooling system problems. It happens to all of them (Though oddly its far, far less common with the diesels which have a slightly different cooling system).

A quick search of previous threads on E39's..

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18089536

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18058366

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18052700

etc all mention cooling system.

I think its pretty clear that there is dissapointment amongst regulars that DannyW has turned to yet another marque to abuse and bodge but none of the comments in the thread are anything other than genuine, credible opinion.

Why do you think when I had a Mondeo I was in every single 'SPec me a car' thread pimping Mondeos yet unless specifically mentioned I'll rarely suggest a big 6 pot BMW? Because the Mondeo was a hardy, reliable, no hassle workhouse whereas older big 6 pot BMW's can and often are a liability :p

I fail to see this logic Foxy.

1. You state they are unreliable due to cooling issues.

2. You state how great Mondeos are.

3. You own a BMW E39 and not a Mondeo.

Doesnt add up ?
 
It's mentioned relatively frequently yet seldom discussed in depth.

No one could exactly doubt you shirking it as you posted a thread when your water pump blew up.
 
I fail to see this logic Foxy.

1. You state they are unreliable due to cooling issues.

2. You state how great Mondeos are.

3. You own a BMW E39 and not a Mondeo.

Doesnt add up ?

Because I like the E39 so much I do not begrudge spending the money on it.

They are not inherently unreliable cars it just gets expensive when the weak spots do end up rearing their head.
 
I fail to see this logic Foxy.

1. You state they are unreliable due to cooling issues.

2. You state how great Mondeos are.

3. You own a BMW E39 and not a Mondeo.

Doesnt add up ?

It does really, despite the cooling problems, the BMW obviously offers a lot more than the Mondeo.

I'd know what i'd rather have.
 
I fail to see this logic Foxy.

1. You state they are unreliable due to cooling issues.

2. You state how great Mondeos are.

3. You own a BMW E39 and not a Mondeo.

Doesnt add up ?

He cares more for perceived build quality ( interior looks and plastics feel, door clunk, etc) than actual build quality ( mechanical quality, doesn't break down, continue to work fine while abused and not serviced ''by the books'', etc). He also likes good handling and involving drives, the mondeo is reasonably good in the handling compartment for it's class ( while cheap and cheap parts), the bmw too ( handling) and the bmw is very involving to drive.

This thread has made me even more weary of BMW's, I always assumed they were well built and didn't need to be fixed so often, but from the stories here, they sound far less reliable than French cars.
 
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a lot of car for the money Danny, but a big pain in the pocket too at that age I'm afraid.

As an example, I bought my N reg e36 328i (similar engine / cooling system) 10 months ago, in that time, its stung me for circa £500 for merely a water pump , stat , ABS sensor, brake pads and oil service. - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18056631&highlight=bmw+cooling

Note re the comments of overheating the M52 engine (which mine has) I was EXTREMELY lucky, I ran it with a collapsed water pump for a couple of days albeit very gently and managed not to warp the head, or, putting it another way, its not lost any coolant since the repair and has thus far not overheated again.....

Its MOT is up in 2 months and I'd hazard a guess I'll be looking at another £500 possibly to get it through perhaps (perhaps not!) - It does need new discs soon & pads at the front and it sometimes smokes slightly from cold - stem seals I'd guess - in other words, its going to cost me one way or another.

Depends how you look at it, if it costs me another £500 or so, then over 12 months its cost me £1k to keep on the road (excluding fuel, insurance etc) but the way I see it, had I spent £2k instead of sub £1k on an e36, I'd be no better off due to depreciation and a very good chance of having to spend that sort of money keeping the more expensive example on the road if you follow me.

To sum up,old ish 6 pot BMW's are great cars for silly money, alas, silly money is probably what your going to spend keeping it on the road, as long as you appreciate this then all well and good and thus far, mines been a good one on the mechanical side at least - (I just know I should not have said that!) the bodywork is a bit scruffy but its merely a work horse, rarely gets washed and the inside looks like a bomb has gone off in there :o I kept my previous e38 7 Series pristine but that cost me circa £5k and was worth the effort of keeping it nice. The e36 is used and abused, perhaps I'll sort the bodywork this summer, perhaps I'll get another e38 as my heart keeps telling me to whilst my head says no!!!

In your case Danny, if you have money sat in a reserve "just in case", all well & good, if not, I'd stick it back on Autotrader and buy something a bit easier on the pocket - You may well even make a small profit on it, it looks clean enough certainly.

I like my e36 and love its engine but am well aware that it could potentially go pop and effectively become scrap, I hope you appreciate your in the same boat.

Incidentally, my Dad 1996 528i must be one of the very few e39's that ,as far as I'm aware, has not had its cooling system go bang, despite its absurd mileage (far side of 260k). I keep meaning to check through his service receipts to verify this, but 13 years of BMW & latterly independent invoices is an awful lot of paperwork and I usually remember that I want to do this once I'm on my way back home from visiting.... :o

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Thats the problem with BMW's as they age - they get older, they get worth less but you still have to chuck money at them. If you are happy to do this you are rewarded with a great car, but you've got to really want one for it to be worthwhile.
Very very true, as long as you have the funds to do this, imo, your still get a far better car despite the relatively high costs of keeping it on the road. A few of my mates have laughed at me for my "sheddy 3 series" true enough, it is a shed but I bought it cheap and have spent less than the depreciation on many cars keeping it on the road. And unlike the vast majority of similar "sheds" that my £900 odd could have bought me, mine has been relatively reliable (see post quote above) i.e. its not let me down yet everything works as it should (ok, the passenger seat heater is shagged) and it still goes like a scalded cat as & when required. Worth every penny that undoubtedly it will continue to cost me! :D
 
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I intend to run the car for a few months then sell it on and hopefully make a bit of profit... like i do with all my cars
 
Danny can't even make a Mondeo or Octavia last, I can see why people want to warn him away from BMW ownership, especially if he wants to make a profit. When he looked at the car, it was dark and he couldn't even see what badge it had on the back, you need to treat these cars with a bit more diligence than you would treat a Fiesta or Mondeo.
 
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How do you plan on making a profit? The car is worth £1200 which is what you paid - its not going to appreciate in 2 months. Is it getting a 528i badge on the back and a new number plate?
 
I do not understand the logic of this purchase in terms of a business deal. That car is not and will not ever return a profit for you? :confused:

TBH even if it did, do you not think that it is a rather lousy car to do it with?
 
I really think there is something a bit morally wrong about 'making a profit' from selling misadvertised cars.

I mean I wouldnt 'make a profit' by pinching stuff from Marks and Spencer and flogging it on Ebay.
 
[TW]Fox;15801893 said:
I really think there is something a bit morally wrong about 'making a profit' from selling misadvertised cars.

I mean I wouldnt 'make a profit' by pinching stuff from Marks and Spencer and flogging it on Ebay.

But those two situations aren't even remotely similar? :confused: One is blatantly stealing and other is taking advantage of a situation.

It's more comparable to you walking into an store and seeing a product mispriced, most people will try and take advantage of that situation.
 
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