New Star Trek series - 2017

Astonishing how many people watch it while not liking it at all.

The reviews of the people who hate it are actually more entertaining than the show.

People are still emotionally invested in Trek because they've loved it and watched it in all its forms, usually from when they were children. They are desperate for it to be good, and can't let go of the fact that JJ Abrams and Kurtzman have killed it. There are a lot more people who have given up on it all together.
 
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They are desperate for it to be good, and can't let go of the fact that JJ Abrams and Kurtzman have killed it.

I don't think Abrams and Kurtzman have killed it. I think some creative decisions that they've taken have harmed it, the variable quality of the writing has harmed it further and the variable quality of the casting has harmed it further still. But they haven't killed it.

They will kill it if Picard S2 doesn't fix some of the fairly serious issues that S1 had (weak bad guys, cheap killing off of characters, inability to not telegraph plot twists). And STD still needs serious work - or ideally an even bigger shredding than the time jump for S3 and starting over.

Maybe they could have Burnham find her mother, figure out that they were both responsible for the Burn and kill each other. That would at least raise a brief smile.
 
Astonishing how many people watch it while not liking it at all.

Says a lot about the pull of the name Star Trek imo, not sure as many people would be watching it if it didnt involve Star Trek. Lets face it, its not of the quality of The Expanse or Firefly. Star Trek fans are so desperate for something Star Trek that many will watch Discovery because anything Star Trek, no matter how good or bad, is still Star Trek.
 
Best bit about the episode:

Grudge the Cat
Linus and his awesome beaming in skills
Budget Harry Kim saying something partially funny

...and with that I'm out. It is too focused on Michael imo and that just bores the hell out of me. Three seasons in and I'd like to know more about the crew please, not the lady of the show who dominates every aspect of it and needs to be the predictable saviour of everything and everyone.
 
Invoking the name of the great Adama and the fantastic BSG makes me curious about picking this back up :D

It's not as awesome a sequence as @ivrytwr3 makes it out to be, IMO. It barely even qualifies as the cavalry coming over the hill, let alone Adama's 'my testicles are almost too large for my uniform' moment :p
 
Yeah, self sealing stem bolts, maybe they did it as a tribute to the actor Nog died about a year ago. Probably about when they were writing this..
Also was very total recall with the barrier explosives.
 
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Yeah, self sealing stem bolts, maybe they did it as a tribute to the actor Nog died about a year ago. Probably about when they were writing this..
Also was very total recall.

Yeah it's a clever tribute as it's an Eisenburg class ship and the actor who played Nog was Aaron
Eisenburg. It was pretty much a fan led thing from a fan q&a not long since his passing so nice that the honoured it.
 
Herbert F. Solow has died. During his time at Desilu Studios he helped sell Star Trek to NBC. It's no exaggeration to say that Trek might not have happened without him. From Memory Alpha:

Desilu picked up the proposition and together with [Gene] Roddenberry, the studio executives made the rounds of the television networks to reciprocally pitch the proposition to them, ultimately finding Solow's former employer NBC interested in early May 1964. Prior to this pitch, it was [Oscar] Katz who took Roddenberry to CBS, the network that traditionally aired Desilu's television productions, but, not backed-up on that occasion by Katz (already foreshadowing things to come), Roddenberry seriously botched his presentation on that occasion.

Dismayed, as CBS represented the best chance Star Trek had, due to the network's longstanding relationship with Desilu (CBS aired [Lucille] Ball's own I Love Lucy show), Solow subsequently took over after being informed of this. He thoroughly groomed, prepared, and coached Roddenberry for his next, very last-chance, meeting with NBC the following month, as well as taking an active part in the presentation. Additionally, Solow instructed Roddenberry to keep quiet when not required to speak (which, given Roddenberry's predilection to the contrary, was excruciating for him), as NBC was wary due to their previous dealings with Roddenberry on The Lieutenant, and, most notably, to drop the "Wagon Train To The Stars" pitch-line Roddenberry had used on the previous pitching occasions. This eventually resulted in success, but "(i)t was Herb's tenacity and Herb's presentation that sold the series," as NBC executive Jerry Stanley later conceded.

Solow was subsequently heavily involved with the studio oversight and marketing to NBC of the two pilot episodes, "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before". While not a science fiction fan, Solow strongly believed in Roddenberry's format, which he considered a more adult counter balance to the somewhat juvenile Lost in Space series of CBS. After the production of the two pilot episodes and after NBC had in effect ordered the series, Solow had to vigorously defend Star Trek in early February 1966 before Desilu's conservative Board of Executives who, balking at the costs of three expensive series in development, virtually unanimously, save for executive Bernard Weitzman, wanted to proceed with Mission: Impossible and The Long Hunt of April Savage (also brought in for Desilu by Katz and Solow, the former ordered by CBS, and the latter, also produced by Roddenberry, ordered by ABC) only. Katz was also a board member, but was not present as he was already on his way out. Fortunately, Solow – unlike Katz not a board member, nor would he ever be – managed to get the studio head, Lucille Ball, on his side and who, as Chairwoman had the power to overrule her board, which she did by approving the continuation of Star Trek with a mere nod towards Solow, or as author Marc Cushman had put it succinctly, "That was all Star Trek needed. A nod of Lucille Ball."
 
I haven't returned to Discovery after the first two episodes of this season. I might try it again if I find myself bored with nothing to do. But I wish they would ditch it and start a real Trek with Anson Mount's Pike.
 
Waited till now to watch this, just binged it all and I have to say this series is awesome. Had a read a few pages back, whilst it's not perfect I would rather support it and see it get better over time than see the show end.
 
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@JRS where’s your update? It’s one of the things I enjoy reading after watching Discovery as it lets me catch up on stuff I didn’t notice.

It'll be up later tonight (maybe). I don't exactly find myself rushing to this show right now ;)

Though regarding stuff not noticed, I've got to hold my hand up to a pretty big thing that I missed in the last episode :o They changed the registry of the Discoball when they refitted it - it's now the NCC-1031-A. Why you might ask? Good question. Every* other time in Trek history where a naval construction contract number was reused (NCC-1701 being the major example) the letter was appended for a new vessel of the same name. Which is why the refitted Enterprise from the first film retained NCC-1701 as her registry number, because she was a refit rather than an all-new build (though debate has raged on how much of the original could possibly have been left), but the replacement introduced at the end of the 4th film was NCC-1701-A.

Did Starfleet practice change? Or did the showrunners just think "well, we're changing the ship's technology a bit so screw it, new registry number"? And did they consider the minor issue of the Short Trek episode "Calypso" not showing the changed registry number even though it was set after this? Oh well. What's one more continuity error in this ****-show?

* - oddly, except the Defiant from DS9. In-universe, the Defiant was destroyed by the Breen when they joined with the Dominion and Sisko was granted dispensation to rename the replacement ship (the USS Sao Paulo) to the Defiant. But the replacement Defiant retained the original registry number NX-74205. The reason in-universe? Who knows. The reason in the real world? Because they were re-using VFX footage, and didn't have the time to re-do registry numbers.
 
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