New Star Trek series - 2017

steve5424 said:
I agree and can only think that none of them were given nems or even referred to because they not not in the rest of the show, they were merely there to set up the plot for Michael Burnham and as I posted this whole plot could really have been told in a few minutes via a flash back in the actual series.

Calling it Discovery but its te 3rd episode before we even get to see the ship or the main cast of the show is really silly.
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That is one of the bigger issues, the entire opening scene was worthless, unnatural and didn't help anything with the show. Everything leading to her getting back to the ship was basically a waste of time as well. Oh, look evidence of damage to our comms relay.... wait, that is Klingon weapon signature.... ship decloaks, have some banter while actually having them talk to each other on the bridge and trying some character names. and boom, opening credits, saved 30 minutes or something.

I'd probably open with Star fleet contacting them on the bridge saying go to wherever it was as a comms relay in their sector went down. Then have them go to 10-forward or something and give some character introduction stuff, some names, they get told they are dropping out of warp and go back to the bridge then as I said before. That would be far more natural. But the thing is it doesn't matter if most of that crew is pointless in the future, not having them be part of the crew made it stand out as wrong.
 
drunkenmaster said:
That is one of the bigger issues, the entire opening scene was worthless, unnatural and didn't help anything with the show. Everything leading to her getting back to the ship was basically a waste of time as well. Oh, look evidence of damage to our comms relay.... wait, that is Klingon weapon signature.... ship decloaks, have some banter while actually having them talk to each other on the bridge and trying some character names. and boom, opening credits, saved 30 minutes or something.

I'd probably open with Star fleet contacting them on the bridge saying go to wherever it was as a comms relay in their sector went down. Then have them go to 10-forward or something and give some character introduction stuff, some names, they get told they are dropping out of warp and go back to the bridge then as I said before. That would be far more natural. But the thing is it doesn't matter if most of that crew is pointless in the future, not having them be part of the crew made it stand out as wrong.
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And this is possibly why you don't write TV shows. :)
 
The only reason for that opening scene was the ship coming through the cloud and looking cool.

They could easily have given a few of the crew names or at least called them by their rank, they were literaly just there for cannon fodder. Red shirts, but even they usually got introduced or spent a bit of time with them so you felt sorry for them or at least felt some kind of emotion toward them. Not just thinking WTF were they there for!
 
Still not liking the main character, I like the idea of making the main character the first officer removes a lot of the problems of having the star as the captain but so far she comes across as a know it that's never wrong and from the trailer it looks like this going to continue plus she will also become a one person army :(
 
XPE said:
Still not liking the main character, I like the idea of making the main character the first officer removes a lot of the problems of having the star as the captain but so far she comes across as a know it that's never wrong and from the trailer it looks like this going to continue plus she will also become a one person army :(
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Maybe CBS have forgotten that Trek has always been an ensemble performance. They are trying to do it with one character driving the whole thing.
 
I suspect this is a move away from the old formula and it's going to end up being a bit generic sci-fi tbh.
 
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If they're going to make a Star Trek series based around one character they should at least make them likeable.

Hopefully we will get some filler episodes focusing on the other crew members. I'm looking forward to the Mudd episode.
 
stewski said:
And this is possibly why you don't write TV shows. :)
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It's story telling 101, one character explaining to another character what they are doing when there is no possible way that person couldn't know what they are doing is basically the definition of bad writing. It's exposition for the audience but would never be stated in that way to another character. Even a voice over explaining what they were doing there, while hamfisted and woeful, would have made more sense in context.

It's the equivalent of agreeing with your friend to walk down the shops, then en route explaining to your friend that you are both walking to the shop, you'd never do that. The entire opening scene was literally awful writing, as said they wanted them doing something prime directive-y and they wanted a cool shot to introduce the ship and they wrote anything around it. The star fleet logo was ridiculous... how did they see it through the clouds for one thing but also somehow the intelligent semi Vulcan thought they were walking in a circle... even though they walked such a short distance that none of the landmarks changed at all. Like in the middle of the desert without a storm in one direction, without mountains and with endless sand dunes you could walk in a circle and not know it, but it's like walking in a circle in a park.... with the sharp angles in the logo, and she didn't notice. It's so so stupid. The writing is incredibly poor, both the things they say but in the reason for saying them.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Even a voice over explaining what they were doing there...would have made more sense in context.
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Yep. And this is the very reason why Star Trek has always had a Captain's/Ship's/Station/Personal etc log VO for exposition. You can set up a story without faffing around having to have characters explain things that they already know perfectly well to each other.
 
Yup, I mean I was going to edit it as my brain hadn't kicked into gear, some point after typing it I thought, du'h, that is why the captains log exists.

Having one person explain to the other what they are doing when both clearly know is so unbelievably awkward, I mean it literally is something you are taught not to do when writing because it makes no sense at all. It really was just one of an absolutely ridiculous number of examples of genuinely awful writing in the show.
 
drunkenmaster said:
It's story telling 101, one character explaining to another character what they are doing when there is no possible way that person couldn't know what they are doing is basically the definition of bad writing. It's exposition for the audience but would never be stated in that way to another character. Even a voice over explaining what they were doing there, while hamfisted and woeful, would have made more sense in context.

It's the equivalent of agreeing with your friend to walk down the shops, then en route explaining to your friend that you are both walking to the shop, you'd never do that. The entire opening scene was literally awful writing, as said they wanted them doing something prime directive-y and they wanted a cool shot to introduce the ship and they wrote anything around it. The star fleet logo was ridiculous... how did they see it through the clouds for one thing but also somehow the intelligent semi Vulcan thought they were walking in a circle... even though they walked such a short distance that none of the landmarks changed at all. Like in the middle of the desert without a storm in one direction, without mountains and with endless sand dunes you could walk in a circle and not know it, but it's like walking in a circle in a park.... with the sharp angles in the logo, and she didn't notice. It's so so stupid. The writing is incredibly poor, both the things they say but in the reason for saying them.
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I agree with some of that, I personally liked david lynch's mind voice in Dune!
But that wasn't throughout the episode and your summarised idea of an episode doesn't strike me as better!
 
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This was very disappointing. A cynical, soulless and ultimately poor exploitation of a beloved franchise. It's a really lazy cash grab, you can't just make up your own crap and put a "Star Trek" stamp across the packaging and expect to do the universe justice.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The star fleet logo was ridiculous... how did they see it through the clouds for one thing but also somehow the intelligent semi Vulcan thought they were walking in a circle... even though they walked such a short distance that none of the landmarks changed at all. Like in the middle of the desert without a storm in one direction, without mountains and with endless sand dunes you could walk in a circle and not know it, but it's like walking in a circle in a park.... with the sharp angles in the logo, and she didn't notice. It's so so stupid. The writing is incredibly poor, both the things they say but in the reason for saying them.
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lol, 'walking in a circle' (or 'walking in circles') is a general phrase for 'ending back where you started'. She didn't necessarily mean "have you led me around the circumference of a perfectly one sided shape?"

You are being way too overzealous.
 
Nitefly said:
lol, 'walking in a circle' (or 'walking in circles') is a general phrase for 'ending back where you started'. She didn't necessarily mean "have you led me around the circumference of a perfectly one sided shape?"

You are being way too overzealous.
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I know what it means, but that she didn't know what the captain was doing is ridiculous. As said, they were making a logo in a large part with easily identifiable landmarks in different directions, to say it at all is absurd, to not get what was going on when she did the points of the logo is absurd. It was one more in a very very long list of completely absurd things characters said.

The point of her saying a circle is that she makes it clear she didn't know what the captain was doing, even though the doubling back of the points of the logo would have left you literally no doubt as to what was being done.

A comment like, oh, I see what you're doing or anything along those lines would have made sense and fit. The ignorance of "have you led me in a circle" blows my mind as to how ridiculous it was. at most half way through you would know what the captain was doing, to still have no idea at the end, again it blows the character for the director/writer to make his point. He wanted the big reveal and the star ship dropping in just after seeing the logo. But making your characters say something stupid and out of character to set up a moment is again crappy writing and shows what the whole series will be about. It's about spectacle, whenever they want they'll make the character do something that character would never do because it sets up the moment they want.
 
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OK, got around to watching Ep2 last night. Er... I can hold my disbelief at many things, but the Klingons just lit a beacon, and moments later Sarek, lightyears away, states there is "a new star in the sky"... lightyears. Wat.

If they'd had said something like "our deep space scanners have detected something at the edge of Federation space", even then it's a push as the beacon was lit only a few minutes earlier, the light wouldn't have got out of the system never mind be visible anywhere else.

It's like they've forgotten why they invented the 'subspace anomaly'!

Saying that though, I did enjoy the slow mo unzipping of the Admirals ship. :D
 
Yes there were lots of flaws. Yes the intro is weak. But I enjoyed it. It's a sci-fi series designed for entertaining you while it takes your mind off your real world troubles. For that I enjoyed it. I particularly enjoyed the little references to the original series such as the sound effects in the background. It felt a little like the original series merged with a bit of Babylon 5 (when they were searching among the asteroids at the very start I half expected them to wander across a dormant Shadow ship). I certainly enjoyed it more than TNG. I'm looking forward to the next episode.

(Actually B5 could be a good candidate for a remake at some point).
 
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Yeah the beacon light being visible light years away was just incredibly dumb. How does something like that get missed? Or they know and don't care which is just as bad.
 
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