New Star Trek series - 2017

I wish they would drop the annoying Klingon speak and have them speaking English. I find reading the subtitles means I miss what is going on on screen. Maybe they could start in Klingon, then move into English. It just seems more annoying than Narcos was, as it isn't a real language and there isn't much point.
 
Lol I'm just finding it hilarious start trek discovery is being shortened to STD.

The spore drive is complete bs. I hope it doesn't become the main feature of the show.
It destroys everything about star trek tbh.
Everything is relating to microbiology and complete understanding of quantum theory which while nice, still seems so far out of chronological order of trek this is meant to slip into.
It still lacks any really good characters, even the scaredy cat alien has become 1 dimensional tiresome, 1 trick pony. They need to focus on other bridge crew.
Give them episode of the week parts.
 
howiepoohs said:
I wish they would drop the annoying Klingon speak and have them speaking English. I find reading the subtitles means I miss what is going on on screen. Maybe they could start in Klingon, then move into English. It just seems more annoying than Narcos was, as it isn't a real language and there isn't much point.
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Worst thing about Discovery imo. Yeah it may be a little more 'authentic' but it loses so much accessibility.

As for the ep.. at some point they clearly went back to the Shenzhou to salvage the telescope. Why would they leave key tech on it like the engine parts, and not blow it up for that matter?

Maybe the scenes weren't in chronological order but then it just gets more confusing if so.
 
I've not even watched Ep3 yet tbh, from what a lot of people are saying I get the feeling that the ship doesn't fit in as a Starfleet (as we know it) vessel and the crew certainly not up to scratch...
 
Some of the plot holes folks are pointing out you could drive a spaceship through. There were stories it went through a bit of production hell, wonder if they've rushed it? Bit like the last movie! Bit unforgivable they can't qa their own scripts.

Guessing the spore drive will be a feature to allow them to go off and explore at some point but as others have said, totally out of whack for the timeline. Post tng series, yeah sure.

Anyways, will stick with it assuming they keep killing off annoying characters. It might find it's own feet despite being a bit all over the place. I actually cheered when the security chief died.

Edit: also, why the retcon of the Klingons? Should have simply gone with a different species!
Also the external space shots are a bit hard to follow - still haven't had a good look at any of the non Starfleet ships. It's either a half second cut or they wiz by and explode.
 
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Really enjoying this, but keep expecting a blob of jelly or the voice of Ted to pop up somewhere... Having this and The Orville starting the same time is mashing my TV head, juggling the series!
 
Personally, I'm ignoring the concept that this is tied-in with any of the other ST series. That means I can ignore the timeline plot holes, the stupidity of the Klingons, etc

I loathe the central character, especially the way she's written and the way she acts - I really found it jarring when she gets the Will from her former captain, hides it away (emotional moment) then gets a call to the bridge and literally swaggers out of the room and the seems to take a gentle stroll through the ship - not in any hurry to report to the bridge where she's obviously been summoned by the Captain!).

The Klingons are dreadful. Obviously they're going for a religious zealotry angle to tie in with modern times but they're just so poorly written. As someone suggested earlier, it seems obvious that the actors have real issues speaking with those ridiculous teeth (which, incidentally, totally look glued on to their normal teeth - it's like something from an AmDram production) whilst I think is why they speak in "Klingon".

However, in the defence of the show, I think a lot of the criticism aimed at the Klingons is flawed. Everyone is saying that they don't act like the Klingons from TNG, DS9 and STV but all of those should be discounted because this is supposedly earlier in the timeline or in a frankly different universe (IMO). It's like everyone saying that Superman in "Man of Steel" isn't like the Superman they all know from Reeves films, Smallville or Lois and Clark, despite the fact that its supposed to be a separate timeline/reboot.

Having said that, the only characters I like are the First Officer and Lorca. I'd happily watch the rest get spaced.
 
Trig said:
I've not even watched Ep3 yet tbh, from what a lot of people are saying I get the feeling that the ship doesn't fit in as a Starfleet (as we know it) vessel and the crew certainly not up to scratch...
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if you watch ep 3 and 4 you will see that its the actual point of the show. Its an experiment ship thats basically illegal under the federation
the 2 ep pilot was only to introduce michael and the universe, the actual show started at ep3.
 
Watched episode 4 last night, Still think its absolute gash but will keep watching it just because it is (supposed to be) Star Trek... :(
 
checjb said:
Personally, I'm ignoring the concept that this is tied-in with any of the other ST series. That means I can ignore the timeline plot holes, the stupidity of the Klingons, etc

I loathe the central character, especially the way she's written and the way she acts - I really found it jarring when she gets the Will from her former captain, hides it away (emotional moment) then gets a call to the bridge and literally swaggers out of the room and the seems to take a gentle stroll through the ship - not in any hurry to report to the bridge where she's obviously been summoned by the Captain!).

The Klingons are dreadful. Obviously they're going for a religious zealotry angle to tie in with modern times but they're just so poorly written. As someone suggested earlier, it seems obvious that the actors have real issues speaking with those ridiculous teeth (which, incidentally, totally look glued on to their normal teeth - it's like something from an AmDram production) whilst I think is why they speak in "Klingon".

However, in the defence of the show, I think a lot of the criticism aimed at the Klingons is flawed. Everyone is saying that they don't act like the Klingons from TNG, DS9 and STV but all of those should be discounted because this is supposedly earlier in the timeline or in a frankly different universe (IMO). It's like everyone saying that Superman in "Man of Steel" isn't like the Superman they all know from Reeves films, Smallville or Lois and Clark, despite the fact that its supposed to be a separate timeline/reboot.

Having said that, the only characters I like are the First Officer and Lorca. I'd happily watch the rest get spaced.
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I don't know how you can ignore that it is in the prime timeline and is set in the same universe as Tos when it keeps getting brought up by the production that it is. See this
https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/09/pr...-will-address-apparent-deviations-from-canon/
We are not the Kelvin timeline…which is a reboot of the original timeline…We are not part of that timeline, we are the original timeline with the TV shows and the movies that fit into that. We are ten years before The Original Series…Where Constitution Class ships are in comparison to where this Discovery prototype – well one of two prototypes, well now one of one prototypes – are technologically, is obviously a variant. We are wildly aware of everything that appears to be a deviation from canon. We will will close out each of those issues before we arrive at the 10 year period and hit TOS.
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Michael Burnham is a classic Mary Sue.

Literally can do no wrong, all the other characters are always wrong until Mary Sue Burnham sets them right. Even when she is punished she gets forgiven in the very next episode.

Terrible writing, terrible cast, way too much politics in the show. I would be surprised if it makes it past the first season
 
Science Officer Stannets needs to get over the death of his "special friend" and have a one night stand with tentacle guy.

Perhaps then he won't need to be so catty all the time
 
TallPaul1878 said:
Michael Burnham is a classic Mary Sue.

Literally can do no wrong, all the other characters are always wrong until Mary Sue Burnham sets them right. Even when she is punished she gets forgiven in the very next episode.

Terrible writing, terrible cast, way too much politics in the show. I would be surprised if it makes it past the first season
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She started an Intergalatic war, how is she a Mary Sue??

Someone else said the same thing about Rey in Star Wars. Load of rubbish. Lots of people seem obsessed by this now.
 
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