New Star Trek series - 2017

steve5424 · 12 Oct 2017 at 11:32

Trig said:
Watched 3 last night, fell asleep on ep4, will try again tonight..

Given that the Discovery is captained by someone who has been given pretty much free-range by Star Fleet to do what he needs to do to win the war, his crew is pretty weak given....

I cant see this lasting more than 3 seasons unless theres some decent change in the team behind it..

He's an egg??

Steeps · 12 Oct 2017 at 12:41

If what happens in Ep4 keeps happening through the series there is hope

killing off the annoying crew one by one for no reason other than they could. Fungus/spore travel will probably be killed off either due to animal rights or a disease (Hopefully!), the spinning saucer sections are a bit of a joke and need killing off too.

melmac · 12 Oct 2017 at 17:56

SlyReaper said:
I can't get over this spore drive thing. Their shiny new starship propulsion system is a giant water bear communing with some magic space mushrooms. I mean, I kind of love the absurdity of it, and if it were in a Rick and Morty episode, I'd probably applaud the creativity of it. But it seems out of place in a show that has "Star Trek" in the title.

It doesn't bother me that much. It's the early days of the Federation. Less controls and more experimentation. It doesn't seem to much of a stretch to me that they were working on experimental technology that for one reason or another didn't last. They probably have loads of secret projects going on. The Universe is a dangerous place!!

The water bear doesn't bother me either. We have had Star Trek since the Sixties, we have seen many strange and powerful creatures, from the downright bizarre to the seemingly omnipotent. What we have learned is the Star Trek universe is one in which anything can and does happen.

A Tradigrade that can navigate space while feeding on spores. Not a problem!!

VincentHanna · 12 Oct 2017 at 20:06

TOS had loads of rubbish stuff that the films and later TV shows contradict.

I don't see why people can't accept that.

boxman2000 · 13 Oct 2017 at 09:25

Clue is in the word... fiction.

J.T · 13 Oct 2017 at 09:25

I can live with everything in the show even the fact the main hero is boring as hell and the tech seems to be better than Next Gen, the one thing I cannot forgive is the changes they have made to the Klingons!

I can accept change for a good reason but this change was stupid.

boxman2000 · 13 Oct 2017 at 09:38

Uncle Petey said:
That, and it obviously relies on basically torturing an animal to achieve it.

I think that's going to be key in the next few episodes - either the creature will die or will turn on the ship and seek out the crew that need to be cut from the show, in a non-specific union pleasing way

VincentHanna · 13 Oct 2017 at 12:05

J.T said:
I can live with everything in the show even the fact the main hero is boring as hell and the tech seems to be better than Next Gen, the one thing I cannot forgive is the changes they have made to the Klingons!

I can accept change for a good reason but this change was stupid.

Can you accept the change between TOS and the first movie from moustache twirling villains in black-face to what we ended up with in 'The Motion picture' and continuing on through TNG, DS9 etc?

J.T · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:22

VincentHanna said:
Can you accept the change between TOS and the first movie from moustache twirling villains in black-face to what we ended up with in 'The Motion picture' and continuing on through TNG, DS9 etc?

Yes, because it was explained in a cleaver way in Enterprise IIRC.

VincentHanna · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:27

Ah, but was it an issue for you before enterprise explained it nearly 20 years after it changed?

J.T · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:30

VincentHanna said:
Ah, but was it an issue for you before enterprise explained it nearly 20 years after it changed?

Yes it was, I always said "WTF happened to the Klingons!!", was bloody glad when they finely put it to bed! lol

Yes, I know I am sad!

VincentHanna · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:34

But not enough to dissuade you from watching

J.T · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:03

VincentHanna said:
But not enough to dissuade you from watching

Nope and neither is it this time (even though I find myself fast forwarding past the Klingon bits which is really annoying), but it doesn't mean I have to like it!

SlyReaper · 13 Oct 2017 at 17:56

J.T said:
Yes, because it was explained in a cleaver way in Enterprise IIRC.

I preferred the way they addressed it in DS9. Worf getting all uncomfortable and cryptic, saying "we do not discuss it with outsiders". They could have left it at that.

J.T · 13 Oct 2017 at 23:15

SlyReaper said:
I preferred the way they addressed it in DS9. Worf getting all uncomfortable and cryptic, saying "we do not discuss it with outsiders". They could have left it at that.

Yes I enjoyed that as well, but it was nice to get a proper answer in the end.

Spit · 14 Oct 2017 at 09:02

I don’t mind the new Klingons. I just prefer to think of them as different ethnicities like we have on Earth.

JediFragger · 14 Oct 2017 at 09:36

VincentHanna said:
But not enough to dissuade you from watching

Meh, it's free. Only reason I am at this point...

JRS · 14 Oct 2017 at 14:56

Spit said:
I don’t mind the new Klingons. I just prefer to think of them as different ethnicities like we have on Earth.

That's great, but I didn't realise that different ethnic groups on Earth are diverse in the number of nostrils that they have...

This is Kol. He is a member of the House Of Kor:

But the thing is...this is Kor:

Going to be hard to resolve this inconsistency, unless the series actually shows a TOS-style Klingon at some point. And I very much doubt that they'll do that! There's more chance (and by 'more' I mean still almost non-existent) that they'd show Klingons that look like they did from TMP onwards. And speaking of that...

This is Kor after he was cured of the mutation that affected the Klingon race in Enterprise:

Is there any reason why the showrunners didn't just go with that style of Klingon makeup if they didn't want to show them as they were in TOS? A reason that makes more sense than 'we wanted them to look cool, to hell with continuity'? You could almost believe that a 'long lost' band of Klingons had been so far away from the action in the Empire that they had avoided the genetic mutation and so always kept their ridges. But giving them ridges, and back-of-head ridges, and claw like fingers, and pointed ears, and four nostrils, and odd sculptured cheekbones and chins, and losing all their hair...nah, I don't buy it

HeX · 14 Oct 2017 at 22:17

My head canon is that the Klingons have been experimenting with their genetic makup to try and cure the mutation caused in Enterprise and revert themselves back to their original Klingon look. Their current appearance is a kind of 'mid point'.

It doesn't explain their completely different dress sense, ship design, or complete lack of honour however.

TNA · 14 Oct 2017 at 22:48

HeX said:
My head canon is that the Klingons have been experimenting with their genetic makup to try and cure the mutation caused in Enterprise and revert themselves back to their original Klingon look. Their current appearance is a kind of 'mid point'.

It doesn't explain their completely different dress sense, ship design, or complete lack of honour however.

Yeah, they pretty much look and act like a different race. Silly move.