New Star Trek series - 2017

drunkenmaster said:
Lastly, they sporefarted over to this nebula in an instant because no other starfleet ships can move around this fast, but the one admiral that we've seen in the series basically appears almost at the same time with normal travel. then somehow she goes to this meeting which is a trap, but her ship is.... where? Her crew is where, starfleet wasn't prepared incase it was a trap by sending several ships, there weren't already standing orders for them to warp in if the task force that anyone would have sent to this meeting came under attack.
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All for bashing bad writing but she went in on a shuttle, I suppose incognito as it was supposed to be a secret mission.
 
Washout said:
All for bashing bad writing but she went in on a shuttle, I suppose incognito as it was supposed to be a secret mission.
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But the ship wasn't somewhere close by, ready to warp in at an instant and somehow Starfleet found out but her crew doesn't go after them or warp in, have any kinda plan ready, it's just cheap and stupid.

The daft thing is the show is about a drive that lets them travel anywhere, but in the first episode this signal went out across the entire Klingon empire, and all the big houses showed up at exactly the same time a couple hours later. Rather like the new timeline/crap films, you can seemingly warp anywhere anytime stupidly quickly anyway.

When it's convenient the Discovery struggles to blow up just birds of prey as in their training simulation, later the same episode the sporefart in and take out 2 ships in the first salvo then sit there for a couple mins waiting while 3 more apparently very easy to destroy ships shoot at them rather than blowing them up for... reasons. They are also jumping in and destroying Klingons around the galaxy, without showing this, even though they were scared of small birds of prey, so how is this underpowered science ship blowing up war ships so easily. When they want Starfleet can send a small fleet to meet them in a couple of hours and Klingons can all warp across their space, into Federation space and start a war, but no one can reach this critical outpost... but then it was easy to jump to this nebula. Everything is just convenient and stupid, when they want the ship isn't a war ship and can't handle birds of prey, then it's jumping around taking out ships making a difference and even though the tech is shared with headquarters... they can't risk discovery on missions when it's convenient to say so, oh and letting the dude have gene therapy is automatically eugenics and terrible because they had to make up a reason they didn't tell them about it already and role out the tech across the fleet to win the war instantly.

It's just crappy writing where everything changes multiple times an episode depending on what they want.

Then you have Vulcans, jesus. The actual concept of Star Trek, the federation, having different species working together who act completely differently and the fundamental concept of Vulcans is they use their mental discipline/telepathic skills to ignore emotions and act purely logically which would give us a very different type of species to interact with, great. Except, Vulcans show emotions constantly, in basically every scene, instead of being different, they are simply humans with pointy ears who pretend to be better and it's frustrating as hell watching the awful writing with them banging on about logic while acting with emotions. Same way they never shut up with Worf about honour, but he just acted like humans did, Klingon 'honour' was stupid and backwards and didn't make Klingon's special it made them mostly terrible to watch.

If Vulcans were written completely differently to humans, great, but as they are they are terrible. Same goes with, whatever his name is, the aloof hoof no.1, he's just a scared human who moves his hands around a bit rather than a completely different species who behaves entirely differently.

Orville, as silly as it is, is doing a far better job with the non humans acting differently to the humans and more importantly, consistently with how they are introduced/explained.
 
TriedandTested said:
Listening to the Klingons speak is grating. By far the worst part of the show and almost ruins it for me.
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Yeah its far too slow and just gets annoying after a while. Was never this bad in the other series as they never really spoke totally in Klingon, it was always broken up with English.
 
I do think it strange that Vulcans would consider suicide bombing as 'logical'

More logical that the fanatic would just catch Sarek unaware whilst he was piloting the ship and kill him - use a phaser or something.
 
As a non trekkie (but someone who has enjoy the previous series) I'm really enjoying it for what it is. One of the better shows airing at the moment.

VincentHanna said:
I do think it strange that Vulcans would consider suicide bombing as 'logical'

More logical that the fanatic would just catch Sarek unaware whilst he was piloting the ship and kill him - use a phaser or something.
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Could it be the start of the Romulan uprising (I don't know how this happened so am probably wrong).
 
VincentHanna said:
I do think it strange that Vulcans would consider suicide bombing as 'logical'

More logical that the fanatic would just catch Sarek unaware whilst he was piloting the ship and kill him - use a phaser or something.
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It's the logic of the fanatic. "I'm not killing you, as that would be morally wrong and make me a murderer. I'm only killing myself (which I have the right to do in support of my beliefs), and if that means you get caught in the explosion or the ship that you need to survive gets destroyed, well that's nothing to do with me."

It would have made more sense for Sarek to beam the other guy off the ship, or put a force-field around him to contain the blast instead of having a philosophical chat with him and allowing the ship to be crippled, but then "plot reasons"...
 
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ShortWarning said:
Could it be the start of the Romulan uprising (I don't know how this happened so am probably wrong).
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Doubtful, if they're paying any heed to the backstory shown in the original series episode Balance of Terror. In that show, the Romulans emerged from a century in isolation after the conclusion of the war between them and an alliance of humanity and other races that would lead to the formation of the United Federation of Planets. Of course, that show also described the war as being fought using primitive vessels on both sides, said that no-one knew what the Romulans looked like and had cloaking devices as a brand new thing. Enterprise then gave us starships that were barely any less advanced in many respects than those seen in TNG, had Vulcans in the High Command conspiring with Romulans and cloaking devices were not only shown to exist but were seen in operation by the series protagonists...
 
I try to see this as separate to original star trek.
As said vulcans aren't that logical, klingons aren't that honourable..
The shuttles have warp drive??

What I don't like is the space stuff.
Battles are resolved in the moment not considering past episodes. Travel seems instant regardless of whether using spore drive when it suits.. Which seems silly when spore drive seems story critical.
Sometimes the discovery can destroy anything instantly, other times it gets hammered. It's like the sci fi element doesn't matter most of the time.

Character dev is getting better, but the sci fi aspect is slipping
 
They were really pushing the popular theory in this ep. Obviously it was all filmed ahead of time but they were really pushing that idea onto the viewers. Seems like a redherring to me.

Perhaps Lorca is the Klingon instead of Ash?
 
Really digging this tbh, recent eps have been on point for the most part. It is without a doubt the strongest season 1 of all but the original trek.

I do however wish this was in the future not the past, as it feels like it should be when you compare it to enterprise etc.
I want this show to get really dark and messed up. It kind of feels like its heading in that direction but I hope they go full on with it.
 
I read an article yesterday about the actor who plays the engineer guy in this, claiming that Kevin Spacey had made advances on him when he was younger, I really had no idea that Kevin Spacey was gay, was quite surprised to find that out.

But the thing I've been wondering about the engineer, he is so blond, particularly the eyebrows etc, that I've been trying to work out if his character is supposed to be an albino or something, or whether its just thats how he looks.
 
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