Newcastle takeover???

BaZ87 said:
The rights are owned by beIN so the only way that could happen would be if beIN resold them onto Saudi, which would require the PL's permission unless already included in their agreement.
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For all we know this could be the hold up for the deal the PL know they have no way to transmit the games of the team they are going to buy, so the PL may be negotiating with Saudi and Qatar for Saudi to buy a portion of the rights and they are haggling over money.
 
I highly doubt that's the case. The PL have already sold the rights to the entire region, it's not their problem that the Saudi's are blocking beIN from being broadcast there.
 
BaZ87 said:
I highly doubt that's the case. The PL have already sold the rights to the entire region, it's not their problem that the Saudi's are blocking beIN from being broadcast there.
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Could that also tie in to the delay? The PL asking Saudi to unblock Bein and allow the official broadcast? Would be very strange to own a part of something you can't actually watch in SA.
 
Maybe. I've said before that some reports have said that beIN's ultimate goal is for the piracy to be shut down. Being able to sell their service in Saudi would also benefit them but there's a very big political obstacle to overcome there.
 
BaZ87 said:
Maybe. I've said before that some reports have said that beIN's ultimate goal is for the piracy to be shut down. Being able to sell their service in Saudi would also benefit them but there's a very big political obstacle to overcome there.
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It’s not just Saudi as I have said above bein also isn’t available in the UAE and Bahrain
 
The link is 2 years old woppy. Etisalat is a UAE telecoms company (one of the biggest in the world in fact) and their website currently lists beIN sports channels in their sports pack.

I do love the way you trust the Geordie dentist over UAE state owned company's website though :D
 
MissChief said:
Could that also tie in to the delay? The PL asking Saudi to unblock Bein and allow the official broadcast? Would be very strange to own a part of something you can't actually watch in SA.
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BaZ87 said:
I highly doubt that's the case. The PL have already sold the rights to the entire region, it's not their problem that the Saudi's are blocking beIN from being broadcast there.
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Getting back to yesterday’s discussion, Mr Masters has been in meetings with beIN executives in recent weeks regarding the takeover, i wonder if it is due to a possiblity of a negotiation underway to have BeIn pay a reduced MENA region PL license fee and PIF/Saudi to pay a PL license fee covering Saudi televising of PL games

https://twitter.com/NUFC360/status/1269217265402155008
https://www.ft.com/content/d4504e75-128b-4428-b5ae-7d7620a0188e
 
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Where's it been suggested that beIN's deal with the PL is being renegotiated? I don't subscribe to the FT so can't read the article but doing a quick search, all other outlets referencing the article make no mention of that.
 
BaZ87 said:
Where's it been suggested that beIN's deal with the PL is being renegotiated? I don't subscribe to the FT so can't read the article but doing a quick search, all other outlets referencing the article make no mention of that.
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It’s been suggested from other sources in the Middle East that’s all (probably should have worded it a bit better, bit like all the click bait from the media eh), basically what they are suggesting is, he’s said time after time the O&D test is strictly confidential so if he’s discussing the test with them it’s possibly to do with some sort of rights renegotiating to save face on both sides. Unless he’s going against confidentiality and openly discussing the takeover

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Any links to these reports? I think it's unlikely that a renegotiation of the current TV deal is being discussed. Where's the benefit to beIN? They're paying around £500m(?) for 3 years for the whole of the Middle East and North Africa - how much will the PL reduce their license by to get the Saudi rights back? Nothing meaningful I'd assume.
 
BaZ87 said:
Any links to these reports? I think it's unlikely that a renegotiation of the current TV deal is being discussed. Where's the benefit to beIN? They're paying around £500m(?) for 3 years for the whole of the Middle East and North Africa - how much will the PL reduce their license by to get the Saudi rights back? Nothing meaningful I'd assume.
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No links no, its members only
Mate you have said yourself that it could happen, so why when I link it are you dismissing it out of hand?
“The rights are owned by beIN so the only way that could happen would be if beIN resold them onto Saudi, which would require the PL's permission unless already included in their agreement.”
The premier league could be in discussions with both right now over a reduced figure that bein would accept and Saudi make up the shortfall, it would make sense for Qatar, at the minute they get no money from Saudi which I’m presuming they would have factored in when they bid for the rights, so they then don’t lose money and Saudi stops nicking there broadcast. Both sides win.
 
Huh? I've asked you for the source of the reports, that's all. Although I'm starting to wonder whether these sources exist now :p And I've not dismissed it out of hand, I've said it's unlikely. beIN own the rights, so it would require their consent* for the Saudi's to broadcast PL football on any platform that's not beIN. Unless beIN are paid way ott (or their fee is reduced significantly) then where's the benefit to them in agreeing to this? If you look at the value of their deal on a state by state basis you're probably looking at £10m odd per season. Would that be enough to persuade beIN not to be a pain in the arse?

*It would also require the PL's permission as well, if the beIN contract doesn't already include a right to resell. I know in some regions the rights holders haven't always been broadcasters but agencies that have resold the rights - I don't know if the option to resell is included in all deals though.
 
BaZ87 said:
Huh? I've asked you for the source of the reports, that's all. Although I'm starting to wonder whether these sources exist now :p And I've not dismissed it out of hand, I've said it's unlikely. beIN own the rights, so it would require their consent* for the Saudi's to broadcast PL football on any plantform that's not beIN. Unless beIN are paid way ott (or their fee is reduced significantly) then where's the benefit to them in agreeing to this? If you look at the value of their deal on a state by state basis you're probably looking at £10m odd per season. Would that be enough to persuade beIN not to be a pain in the arse?

*It would also require the PL's permission as well, if the beIN contract doesn't already include a right to resell. I know in some regions the rights holders haven't always been broadcasters but agencies that have resold the rights - I don't know if the option to resell is included in all deals though.
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I’m going to ignore that first part, as it looks like your being your normal argumentative self(no premier league to watch yet) :p:p.

On to the second part(I’m plucking figures from the air here) say bein have 2 years to run with around £350m left to pay, the premier league in discussion with both Bein and PIF(as they won’t talk to each other) agree to reduced the figure that Bein still need to pay to £280m and then PIF agree to pay the remaining £70m(gaining the ability to legally show the premier league in Saudi), that’s a win for both sides and the premier league(mr masters) has also solved part of the piracy problem. Bein benefit as they pay less and it stops their stuff being nicked and it looks like they get one over on Saudi, the premier league benefit as they get new much needed investments and reduced piracy and Saudi benefits as they get their way.
 
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