NFL 2021 Season

Unfortunately a lot of meaningless games although I suppose that's fairly normal.

Feel sorry for New Orleans & Seattle who were relying on an actual opponent to turn up and actually play Green Bay to give them some hope of staying alive!
 
McGray said:
Bears coming to London again. :D
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Yea. saw the news. Mixed feelings after the last two times trying to get tickets was a mess (2019 Bears, and then a friends wanted the Packers the following year). Kind of made me not want to support NFLUK and aim to watch them at Soldier Field again. Will see how I feel in the summer.
 
Some fairly one-sided games so far this wildcard weekend. That said the GB performance has been superb so far in the first half. Dallas lucky to even be in this.

Also amazing turnaround at Houston. Three win team to winning a home playoff game. Wonder how they feel about going big drafting a QB last year...
 
AndyCr15 said:
If I'm honest, I think I would have said a Dallas win was one of the safer picks of the weekend, but wow, that was some performance by the Packer's offence!
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I remember saying to my brother before this game, Dallas should win big but I don't trust them given their history for choking these big games. That said I certainly didn't think the Packers would dominate them like that.

I think clearly Dak and their offense wasn't good enough but it was also surprising just how much their defense was outplayed too.
 
With regards to the MVP discussion, I know Purdy has set some 49ers records this year, which is kind of impressive, but when I watch him play, I can't help but think you could probably slot in a few different QB's and the 49ers wouldn't really miss a step. Switch out Lamar and I think the Ravens are a very different team.
 
AndyCr15 said:
With regards to the MVP discussion, I know Purdy has set some 49ers records this year, which is kind of impressive, but when I watch him play, I can't help but think you could probably slot in a few different QB's and the 49ers wouldn't really miss a step. Switch out Lamar and I think the Ravens are a very different team.
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To be honest I think it's Lamar. I do wish a non-QB would win for a change and this respect McCaffrey does deserve a shout (Maybe Hill before his injury and probably others too).

I do think the fact Purdy has even been in the MVP race is a testament to just how good he's been this year. Particularly when he's a rookie in his first full season and he still is clearly going through some growing pains. However even last night he shows things off-script when under pressure. For some reason (probably as a result of their success) their is a lot of toxicity around him on the internet (just to be clear, not here). The Packers played well, seem to carve the Niners D apart several times.

The Ravens look like the best team in the league right now. Pressured Shroud all game and they were outstanding once they got their offense going in the second half.
 
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AndyCr15 said:
With regards to the MVP discussion, I know Purdy has set some 49ers records this year, which is kind of impressive, but when I watch him play, I can't help but think you could probably slot in a few different QB's and the 49ers wouldn't really miss a step. Switch out Lamar and I think the Ravens are a very different team.
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Been said before but he's been an upgrade on Jimmy and everyone else that we've had the misery to watch since Kap days.

Put some of the better pocket passers behind Lamar's OL and you also get more production, Allen would be seriously good on that team.

Purdy can't win though
If he/they dominate a game from the start and get out to an early lead - 'its the system and surrounding cast'
If they struggle throughout the game but he puts together a game winning drive - 'he sucked dick the majority of it and they won in spite of him' missing the context of Aaron Jones rushing for more than CMC :) (Also when other QBs do this its coming through and being 'clutch' in the face of adversity)

Timber said:
To be honest I think it's Lamar. I do wish a non-QB would win for a change and this respect McCaffrey does deserve a shout (Maybe Hill before his injury and probably others too).

I do think the fact Purdy has even been in the MVP race is a testament to just how good he's been this year. Particularly when he's a rookie in his first full season and he still is clearly going through some growing pains. However even last night he shows things off-script when under pressure. For some reason (probably as a result of their success) their is a lot of toxicity around him on the internet (just to be clear, not here). The Packers played well, seem to carve the Niners D apart several times.

The Ravens look like the best team in the league right now. Pressured Shroud all game and they were outstanding once they got their offense going in the second half.
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Toxicity makes sense.
Niners made the worst draft bungle probably ever with Lance and have been absolutely bailed out by landing Purdy but people really don't want to accept that.
Also, all the media personalities who were entirely wrong on his draft potential lol.

For me he isn't the MVP but he's been comfortably a top 8 QB in the league this year
 
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Purdy said:
Toxicity makes sense.
Niners made the worst draft bungle probably ever with Lance and have been absolutely bailed out by landing Purdy but people really don't want to accept that.
Also, all the media personalities who were entirely wrong on his draft potential lol.

For me he isn't the MVP but he's been comfortably a top 8 QB in the league this year
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Fair take.

I think there's a bit of everything in this one; people being wrong on him, the Niners being successful, 'its the system/Shannahan brigade' as mentioned. There's also a few bitter ex-pros heating up the debate, including the really crap 'system QB' take recently that don't help. Which I think speaks more to who they are. Either way fair play to him. One game away from the big one and and he has certainly played his part.
 
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Purdy said:
Put some of the better pocket passers behind Lamar's OL and you also get more production
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I personally disagree.
Purdy said:
Allen would be seriously good on that team.
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That's not a great argument though really. "Put one of the best QB's in the league in his place and..." well, yeah... :p

I guess, swap them and how would it go? (Purdy and Lamar)
 
AndyCr15 said:
I personally disagree.

That's not a great argument though really. "Put one of the best QB's in the league in his place and..." well, yeah... :p

I guess, swap them and how would it go? (Purdy and Lamar)
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Both would perform worse than they do in their current teams and both teams would be worse than their current versions.

Lamar definitely brings a different element to the game than Purdy (scrambles would be good, not sure play extension would got greatly better) for Niners but his anticipation etc. would not be on the same level. Don't think he would be as good under the same pressure and smaller passing windows.

Allen makes both teams better I think.
 
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Lamar definitely brings a different element to the game than Purdy
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I think this is my point on the MVP front, with emphasis on the V. I'm just watching the Bills and Chiefs and clearly Allen and Mahomes are in a top tier where they're doing things only a few QB's can do (like Lamar) that make them so valuable to their teams. I just don't think I've seen that from Purdy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Purdy isn't good, or isn't valuable, I just don't think he has that extra element. I don't imagine he poses a D Co-ordinator the headaches some of the others do.
 
AndyCr15 said:
I think this is my point on the MVP front, with emphasis on the V. I'm just watching the Bills and Chiefs and clearly Allen and Mahomes are in a top tier where they're doing things only a few QB's can do (like Lamar) that make them so valuable to their teams. I just don't think I've seen that from Purdy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Purdy isn't good, or isn't valuable, I just don't think he has that extra element. I don't imagine he poses a D Co-ordinator the headaches some of the others do.
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I remember Rich Eisen used the words; 'he's just not ready yet' when talking about his MVP chances this year (this was after the Ravens loss). And I do think that's probably quite astute. I think the comparison would be what did Allen, Lamar etc. look like after 1 and a half seasons. Maybe Purdy doesn't end up in that bracket, maybe he does improve. Although I think Mahomes is the outlier given what he looked like even early on.

In terms of the games I couldn't watch the late Sunday game live. Unfortunately the best games held back for the late slots, which did suck as a UK-based fan.
 
Timber said:
I think the comparison would be what did Allen, Lamar etc. look like after 1 and a half seasons. Maybe Purdy doesn't end up in that bracket
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Yeah, and tbh we're probably comparing him to the wrong 'type' of QB. Mahommes, Allen, Lamar... Favre... maybe Rodgers, fit the 'make something happen' type. (Some of what Allen did last night was kinda ridiculous tbh) Maybe Purdey is closer to Brady, Manning, Montana, Marino?
 
AndyCr15 said:
Yeah, and tbh we're probably comparing him to the wrong 'type' of QB. Mahommes, Allen, Lamar... Favre... maybe Rodgers, fit the 'make something happen' type. (Some of what Allen did last night was kinda ridiculous tbh) Maybe Purdey is closer to Brady, Manning, Montana, Marino?
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I don't know. I think your earlier statement is true, he simply isn't in that bracket yet. But unlike the other HOF/GOATs mentioned he still has some development to go through and tape to put down as they say.

Just finished watching the late game last night. Heartbreak on that ending. What a game though.
 
Every year we choke in the playoffs. Had to be against KC as well, gutted! The defence were non existent and couldn't make a stop all game, then to end it with another wide right is heart breaking.

Hoping the Ravens destroy KC now and then lose to the Lions in the SB.
 
Street said:
Every year we choke in the playoffs. Had to be against KC as well, gutted! The defence were non existent and couldn't make a stop all game, then to end it with another wide right is heart breaking.

Hoping the Ravens destroy KC now and then lose to the Lions in the SB.
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Even as a 49ers fan, (for now) I can't dispute Lions winning the SB is the best outcome from NFC and Ravens from AFC.

If the 49ers get there and do manage to win it will be incredible after losing last two SB to either of them, probably rather face the Chiefs than Ravens
 
AndyCr15 said:
Yeah, and tbh we're probably comparing him to the wrong 'type' of QB. Mahommes, Allen, Lamar... Favre... maybe Rodgers, fit the 'make something happen' type. (Some of what Allen did last night was kinda ridiculous tbh) Maybe Purdey is closer to Brady, Manning, Montana, Marino?
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I think Brady/Manning are still 'make something happen' type unless we are referring to using your feet? (In which case Rodgers > Favre). The others I'm too young to have seen week in week out.

This sort of thing isn't happening with Lamar on the 49ers, same way it wasn't with Jimmy, both the throw type and just sitting in that terrible pocket.
But yes Lamar would certainly make the offence be ran differently, I'm not sure as an improvement to the current one.

Mahomes/Allen/Burrows would all be above Lamar for me still and I think all actually improve the 49ers team (obviously lol).
I think after those names there aren't really any others I would be swapping into his position right now in this specific Shanahan team.
 
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