NHS=Negligent Health Service

People that move to the UK on work visas already have to pay a whopping NHS surcharge. Already doing a fine job of keeping skilled workers we need away.
 
Werewolf said:
up, IIRC there is no requirement for private hospitals to have any "emergency" staff in place, and many barely have a qualified doctor in place over night or on the weekend, they also IIRC don't have the equipment or supplies so if something happens you're in the back of an NHS ambulance heading to an NHS A&E where you'll be treated by NHS staff using the NHS supply of equipment and drugs.
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Yes so not only do patients claim against the NHS when they should be claiming against the Private healthcare they also then claim when the Private Healthcare did a bad job and the NHS try to repair it.
A family member had a Private operation about 4 weeks ago and the wound opened up, guess who fixed it :)
 
One More Solo said:
Yeah, because the private sector never has any of those issues. “Privatise the NHS because I can’t work a telephone.”
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and where do I phone A&E? as said nop contact details.... no points of enquiry.
wasnt told whats wrong with my arm just "I can't tell if it's broken or not"

useless middle class benefit service
SexyGreyFox said:
100%, people don't realise how much the NHS is still tied to Private Healthcare.
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or how bad it is
 
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Many of the views in this thread are scary as hell, some are sarcasm but some seemingly real views, what happened to humanity? Deeply disturbing stuff.

If absolutely anyone thinks private health care is the way to go nationally & thinks that the Torys have had absolutely nothing to do with the NHS destruction need a reality check........Hunt even literally wrote a book on how to force privatisation - whats happening is literally wrote out in the book to bring in profit generating health care.

When (sadly it is when) it happens, say hello to even greater inequality & being left with a choice similar to many Americans - live but have no money or become homeless or die and leave something for your family.

Mental how so many people are not even questioning this shouldn't be a choice at all.

Healthcare in a sensible society should be a human right, greed and gross dystopian capitalist brain washing is rife apparently.

The only logical answer is clear - tax properly, especially the rich, close tax avoidance loop holes, kick all MP's out of government that are there as a career move to help their profit driven other work (that will be most of them then - the gov isn't a gov now, its just a business branch of the ultra rich)......................do all this and we'd have endless money to fund the NHS and pay its staff properly - 100's, to thousands of billions.

Yeah it's a pipe dream sadly, but I'm astonished how we as a society just let it happen, apathy is powerful in the UK.
 
arknor said:
and where do I phone A&E? as said nop contact details.... no points of enquiry.
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Google is your friend, granted it might take a while to get through

This is our A&E - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uhnm+a&e&sca_esv=596923945&sxsrf=ACQVn0_Y4YQVdelmjhLnhYpjROcmhhtIQw:1704819601147&source=hp&ei=kXudZdTZBpithbIPho2ssAo&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZZ2JobSs3HQ16NE8vqjsIOSKcde9uakf&ved=0ahUKEwiU5uv149CDAxWYVkEAHYYGC6YQ4dUDCAw&uact=5&oq=uhnm+a&e&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Igh1aG5tIGEmZTIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeSOMjULAJWMcfcAF4AJABAJgBTqABjgSqAQE4uAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICEBAuGMcBGK8BGI4FGOoCGCfCAgoQIxiABBiKBRgnwgIEECMYJ8ICERAAGIAEGIoFGJECGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYigUYkQIYsQMYgwHCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGMcBGNEDwgIREC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYxwEY0QPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcC&sclient=gws-wiz

Our X-Ray department if you want to push it - https://www.uhnm.nhs.uk/our-services/imaging/

and of course PALS https://www.uhnm.nhs.uk/our-services/patient-experience-and-pals/

(That bloke on the picture is 79 and still working 4 days a week).
 
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Combat squirrel said:
Healthcare in a sensible society should be a human right, greed and gross dystopian capitalist brain washing is rife apparently.
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yea it is even in countries with private health care like Switzerland..

just because America is America doesn't mean it's the only way.

although we are basically an unofficial american state so will likely bend over which ever way they want as usual
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Our X-Ray department if you want to push it - https://www.uhnm.nhs.uk/our-services/imaging/
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And if you want to push it even further, I can give you the numbers for each of the different imaging dept desks (including the reporting rooms) and the numbers of the actual imaging rooms. Could go as far as the private numbers for some of the imaging staff too, but that would be wrong and very silly. :D
 
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Malevolence said:
And if you want to push it even further, I can give you the numbers for each of the different imaging dept desks (including the reporting rooms) and the numbers of the actual imaging rooms. Could go as far as the private numbers for some of the imaging staff too, but that would be wrong and very silly. :D
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and I've got all the Clinicians and Secretary's.
 
arknor said:
and where do I phone A&E? as said nop contact details.... no points of enquiry.
wasnt told whats wrong with my arm just "I can't tell if it's broken or not"

useless middle class benefit service

or how bad it is
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I don't even work for the NHS but I know if you have a query about something and don't know the correct department you ring the general enquiries line (every hospital has either that or reception listed very clearly on all their documentation and websites if they don't have the department number), and they'll try and direct you to the right people.
It might take a while as they narrow your query down to the exact people, but it works as they can track you down by your name, date of birth and if you happen to know it, your nhs number (top of every letter you ever get from any nhs hosptial) that tends to make it really easy.

Having said that, I hate ringing hospitals, the phone systems especially once you get "out of" the major public facing ones tend to be more and more obscure and difficult to navigate, I had to ring a number for my dad a while back and ended up setting up a recording app on my phone as it hit an answer machine that gave out more precise contact details but it spoke them so fast that I couldn't keep up writing it down (and took about 5 minutes to get that far).
 
Werewolf said:
Having said that, I hate ringing hospitals, the phone systems especially once you get "out of" the major public facing ones tend to be more and more obscure and difficult to navigate, I had to ring a number for my dad a while back and ended up setting up a recording app on my phone as it hit an answer machine that gave out more precise contact details but it spoke them so fast that I couldn't keep up writing it down (and took about 5 minutes to get that far).
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At least I have the comfort of walking into the departments when I can't get through from my phone at the hospital :)
Some people actually think staff get through to each other easily :)
 
arknor said:
and where do I phone A&E? as said nop contact details.... no points of enquiry.
wasnt told whats wrong with my arm just "I can't tell if it's broken or not"

useless middle class benefit service

or how bad it is
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The private sector doesn’t have access to magical imaging equipment that would have given you a different clinical outcome. You could have had an identical experience under a private system. The funding method doesn’t suddenly eliminate human error or admin cockups.
 
Amleto said:
you expect a gp to be able to do x-ray and mri?! You got a very fancy gp!
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No any GP should be able to request an x-ray.

And I didn't mean perform it physically at the practice (only some have that facility), all of them can organise for the patient to go to hospital and have the x-ray.

As for MRI - they can request it, whether it gets accepted is up to the triaging msk radiologist, who will often reject it, because most requests are not appropriate.

GPs can definitely do more than you lot think. Whether they want to or chose to is up to them though, however they can do as many investigations as required and they can discuss with most specialists over the phone for advice and further plan. However from my experience, if there needs to be involvement of secondary care facilities, they will just refer onwards, and if they deem that it cannot wait to get a specialist opinion, they will just tell the patient to go to ED (which is why when you go to ED it's usually rammed and you don't get to see anyone even after waiting many hours, let alone the specialist that you need).
 
Malevolence said:
I take it you've experienced Vocera then?

"Call Emily Brownhills".
"Did you want to call Heart & Lungs Echo?".
"No. Call Emily Brownhills."
"Did you want to call Brachytherapy"
"NO"
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Not Vocers but Empactis.
I was lying in a hospital bed recovering from an operation trying to tell Empactis it was my first day off while still under anaesthetic.
I gave up.
 
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