*** Nintendo Switch ***

JUMPURS said:
Actually it is the exact same, 280 minus vat is 233.33 and convert that to USD you get 279
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How do you work that out?

I just realised that I made an error. I didn't take enough vat off.

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US lauch price is $300 ex sales tax

UK launch price is £280 inv 20% vat.

Take off the 20% vat (£56) makes it £224 ex vat.

Convert £224 into US$ at rate of £1-$1.22 = $273.
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So its effectively $27 cheaper pre tax than the US.

*all numbers are rounded for ease.
 
You're not calculating your vat content correctly, you can test this by adding 20% onto £224 which is £268.80.

To remove vat divide the amount you want to remove vat from by 1.2 so 280 /1.2 gives you £233.33 not £224. I assume you at multiplying by 0.8 which removes 20% from the total cost, which is incorrect.

So the cost in the UK is pretty much the exact same as the US if you remove sales tax.
 
I do love the look of this but I think I'm too westernised with games these days! I'd probably only buy and seriously play Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart etc. The 1 -2 switch etc wouldn't get much of a look in.

I felt the same way about the Wii U but never got round to buying one and now probably never will. The last Nintendo console I owned was the original Wii and I kept that a lot longer than I would have done if not for Smash Bros.

Zelda does look amazing though. :P
 
JUMPURS said:
You're not calculating your vat content correctly, you can test this by adding 20% onto £224 which is £268.80.

To remove vat divide the amount you want to remove vat from by 1.2 so 280 /1.2 gives you £233.33 not £224. I assume you at multiplying by 0.8 which removes 20% from the total cost, which is incorrect.

So the cost in the UK is pretty much the exact same as the US if you remove sales tax.
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You are correct about my incorrect vat calculation, but the UK pre tax cost is still less than the US cost.
 
Warbie said:
I'd say a PS4 makes more sense these days. Greater no. of better exclusives. But if you must have Zelda, Mario etc - then there's no other option.
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I'm interested in games like Persona5 & Bloodborne, but don't care much for games like Uncharted. Personally, PS4/XB1 just doesn't offer me a whole lot that can't be had on PC.

The post I was responding too basically argued that you can't be "even a semi-serious gamer" if the only console you own is a Switch.
 
Nintendo's problem in the home console segment is that it's been a long time since their hardware/games have been relevant. As such they have garnered the reputation of being kiddy, gimmick driven and not to be taken seriously by hard-core gamers.

The Wii U was an absolute flop with just a hand full of first party games and a limited amount of support from third party devs. The Wii before that was cheap, gimmick driven and had a library of shovelware.

The Gamecube was a long, long time ago now.. a whole generation of gamers exist that don't even know that Nintendo can do proper gaming and do it well.

I don't think the Switch will win back the masses in the US and Europe but over time, especially if the price drops, it may build up a decent following. I'd imagine the Japanese will lap it up though.
 
djkav said:
You are correct about my incorrect vat calculation, but the UK pre tax cost is still less than the US cost.
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According to Mr Google 233.33 GBP is 281USD, but i'm bored of this now. If you are going to drag out a link and say 'look its 50c cheaper' go for it.
 
Warbie said:
This, imho, is the single, possible saving grace for the Switch. If Nintendo drop 3DS support and put all their efforts into developing games for a single hybrid platform, there might be enough first party titles to make it worthwhile. They will have to step it up in terms of breadth of games from the **** poor show they gave us with the Wii and WiiU, though!
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Here's a hint for you, what does discontinuing support for the new 3DS which in many areas only launched what, Sept-Nov 2015 say about Nintendo's commitment to supporting handheld long term?

If they discontinue support for the 3DS then Nintendo are actively screwing millions upon millions of buyers, which only scares people off buying a Switch for fear it will do badly and they'll want to dump support for it in 18 months.

Likewise what would dumping support for the 3DS do to third party developers, who will question if Nintendo have any long term commitment to their devices. Will they want to invest in a game now that may come out after Nintendo give up on the Switch?

Also most importantly, if they gave up on the 3DS and they were going to switch so many devs over to a single platform.... why are there so incredibly few games ready for launch?

basically the decision on if to continue 3DS support after the Switch launch would have had to happen before the new 3DS launched, because it's too close. They could have cancelled production on the 3DS and focused everything on the Switch, they didn't.

There are also currently way way way more 3DS in use, so in terms of software sales, the 3DS is more profitable. They wouldn't dump 3DS support for the reasons above till at least 18 months from now I'd think, and frankly if and only if Switch sales continue going well outside of launch. Wii U had 3mil on launch quarter then 3mil per year for 3 years, then down to 1mil last year. Until it proves itself by say selling at least 10mil in the first year, they won't even consider dumping a significantly wider user base till Switch can provide similar numbers.

Again they may do it earlier, but what does it tell you, if it's not selling enough or if they aren't making enough profit off you they'll dump support? Look at the lack of games at launch, the lack of games coming over the year, if the 3DS gets dumped after 18 months, what chance does the Switch have frankly.
 
Still got my pre-order in place. But it needs the games, keep harping on about this, it's just frustrating. It's becoming a bit of a theme with me and Japanese companies, they just aren't getting what they need to make the product a must buy. Sure, all pre-orders have been claimed but this will die down and it will nose dive, unless it gets the games.

Ultimately, I want a better handheld console.

- Tablet games are garbage
- 3DS is like a toy from the 00's (potato resolution)
- Vita has good hardware and is capable, but Sony deserted it in the West market

The Switch has the potential. Battery life is a big question mark I have right now, the best case and worst case figures which have been released are rather wide apart.
 
I am not worried about the battery, because as a home console that is not a problem.

In the car - I can charge it.
On the train - I can use my battery power pack or some trains has plugs
On the plane - they all have USB sockets
In coffee shops - I hope i don't spend 3 hours in there!

Then there are always battery banks you can carry.
 
I gave up when the idiot started blathering on about AMD not helping the console makers get the best out of their hardware.... because he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

He took Nvidia CEO at his word that this uses the same architectural language as the other consoles. A lot of the GPU code and commands will be the same but the CPU code will be ENTIRELY different and the other consoles also use AMD hardware with very specific optimisations for it. Even if they use the same gpu programmable language(it's not going to be identical) it's going to still have to be tuned for a complete different gpu architecture which is no small feat. Using the same language isn't the deal, it's HOW to use that language that becomes completely different on a PS4 vs Switch.

He's mistaking EXTRA software that has nothing to do with hardware optimisation and deciding that adding this type of software on Switch is going to make a difference. This is all completely stupid.

He's again also trying to imply that AMD doesn't help the console makers optimise the hardware where Nvidia do so they'll be closer than they seem. The reality is hardware optimisation on the Xbox and PS4 is pretty fantastic considering the hardware in there and no Nvidia software will make it onto the Switch at all.

Okay I didn't give up, he uses an unspecced Macpro G5 from 2005 compared to god knows what Mac mini as a comparison to say how much massively faster this system can be than the Wii U. The macmini is probably faster at some stuff, powerpc architecture is far far faster at other things and other code, they are designed for entirely different uses and he's almost certainly comparing a Intel CPU and low end chipset GPU with a Macpro with at least one higher power discrete GPU in it, then saying what, it's faster in who knows what. All this despite running Zelda in the same res on the undocked Switch as the Wii U... so we already have a baseline comparison right there. It's not monumentally faster, a little, but not much and from disturbingly old slow hardware a small boost is not enough.

He then kicks himself right in the balls by banging on at the end about how Playstation beat N64 because it was easier to code for rather than being faster.......

Switch will be both much harder to code for and port games to and dramatically slower than the other PS4/Xbox.
 
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chroniclard said:
Just wondering when I could actually get a console.....
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According to retailers, not on launch. Pre-orders sold out, but only because Nintendo are pulling their usual BS of under-producing for launch...

JoeBoi said:
So, will Nintendo pull their usual stunts.

1) Hype their new product up beyond belief
2) Purposely under supply retailers with their consoles
3) Demand is through the roof, scalpers are making lots of money, papers make a big deal about it (free advertising)
4) Four / Six months down the line they start releasing a lot more consoles

Looks like a decent console, I am bit dubious about how well Nintendo will pull off a online service though. They have a lot of work ahead of them if they are expecting people to pay for their previously shoddy online service.
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Exactly as above. I hate Amiibo's guts for similar reasons, but I'd much prefer if Nintendo's now only console didn't go the way of Amiibo. That would be terrible...

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Raymond Lin said:
I am not worried about the battery, because as a home console that is not a problem.

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On the train - I can use my battery power pack or some trains has plugs
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Train? I sure hope you have a first class season ticket and that all your train en-route have proper first class then. Cos I only discovered sockets when travelling First Class via First Great Western (now renamed just Great Western) Bristol to Reading route. As for planes, I'm going abroad at the end of this month. I almost would have gone during March and was hoping to take a Switch with me (had I bought one), but similarly you have to get the good airlines to have USB ports. I travelled via 2 seperate airlines a few years back, service on one was amazing (the usual in-flight stuff as standard) and the other was terrible. The latter had nothing of the sort, despite the plane itself having the capability built in (there were screens on the seats as usual).
 
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Begbie said:
http://nintendoeverything.com/reggi...assic-games-supply-concerns-3ds-here-to-stay/

Seems a mobile device is a MUST for online services, including voice chat. This is just ******* nonsense, just give me a headset so I can swear at children during Mario kart rage please.
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I would imagine this is something that will be included in a hardware revision making it attractive for early adopters to buy a second console, Nintendo will be rolling in $$$ assuming they are making a profit off of each sale at that point. This is kinda like the c-stick and the 3DS where Nintendo choses to omit something that arguably should have been included on release.
 
Phate said:
I'm curious as to how many regular posters in this thread are going to buy the console. Hmmmm
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Not a regular poster in this particular thread, but I will be getting one for sure.

Like I said, changes in my home life make this the perfect console for me.

I wont be rushing out to get one at launch as I still have a few months left on my XBL subscription.

Also I have a Sony Bravia 4k which has PS Now built in, although some of the games are older, between this, a switch and my laptop im pretty much covered gaming wise.
 
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