*** Nintendo Switch ***

[Broken Hope]

Hmmm yes and no.

If the Nintendo Switch didn't offer anything different from the others...then I would have got one of the others which are already well established.

Surely the fact the Switch has Nintendo games on it should be the only difference that's important, not gimmicks like motion controls and HD rumble that bloat the price of the controllers and will be rarely used?

Nintendo often come across as being different just for the same it, like if there is an industry standard way of doing things, such as online, e.g party chat, achievements and so on, Nintendo will do something completely different just for the sake of being different, not because it's better.

As for Nintendo fanboys saying power isn't important, power is more than just pretty graphics, it allows more to happen in the game, bigger worlds, more interactivity, better physics etc

 

[Phate]

Surely the fact the Switch has Nintendo games on it should be the only difference that's important, not gimmicks like motion controls and HD rumble that bloat the price of the controllers and will be rarely used?

Nintendo often come across as being different just for the same it, like if there is an industry standard way of doing things, such as online, e.g party chat, achievements and so on, Nintendo will do something completely different just for the sake of being different, not because it's better.

Part of the difference of Nintendo is the games. But I try to leave that out because I see that as a /end discussion reason - but of course that comes into play.

Nintendo will be the only ones offering a proper portable console. For reasons I've just mentioned, this is a biiiig plus for me

 

[ZG002]

I think in a years time, if Nintendo deliver on game schedules (we all know how that is) then even at its current price the thing would be a decent buy. That could be said about the others also mind, they all seem to release with nothing to play for a year.

Everyone kicking up a fuss about online and online chat etc, I honestly can't remember the last time I played a Nintendo system online. (Had Wii and Wii U) everything is local. It would likely never leave the house for me so charge times etc don't bother me too much.

It's price of extra controllers and lack of games that is making me wait.

 

[Warbie]

You get people coming in here "Nintendo are doomed" "They're idiots, they should give up on hardware" "lol ps4 is well better innit" - that is their opinion which they are fully entitled to...but it make me wonder why they bother posting about it anyway when they have zero intention on buying it because it doesn't run whatever graphics chip they were hoping for.

A good deal of us are the longest term, most loyal Nintendo fans who remember when they were much more than they are now and want a return to form. I've owned every Nintendo console bar the Virtual Boy - often in multiple iterations/colours! - and the Switch is the first I won't be picking up at launch. When Nintendo keep dropping the ball in the same way there's nothing wrong with picking them up on it. And defending them regardless - exactly what I used to do - makes no sense. Re. the Switch - I either want it to be ridiculously successful, force 3rd party developers to take note and for Nintendo to start releasing the quality and breadth of games they used to, or to bomb entirely so Nintendo have no choice but change tack or go software only.

For what it's worth, I like the idea of a single Nintendo console and this must be what Nintendo are testing the waters with. Slowly phase out the 3DS and have all their developing power behind a single platform that let's you play locally and online at home and on the move. Let us join it to a Nintendo account with access to all our purchased Nintendo games and job done.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Having MK8 and not playing online seems wrong.

 

[Broken Hope]

Most us criticising Nintendo aren't doing it because we hate the company, we're doing it because we know they could be amazing, they could be leaders but are constantly making boneheaded decisions, like paid online, you don't announce you are charging for your online services and then don't go into detail about what your online services entail.

The whole VC is just hilarious, they are roms running in an emulator and yet they trickle them out every single console and you can be sure they are probably going to start the whole lot over again on the Switch.

Nintendo are sitting on so many games and are squandering it.

Just imagine how popular a Netflix style system for tha VC would be?

I understand people are fans of consoles or companies, but blindingly defending them does nobody any favours.

Sony would still be tha arragont company they were back in the early PS3 days if it wasn't for people complaining and Sony listening and changing.

XB1 would have been a complete disaster if Microsoft hadn't listened.

Where's it honestly seems Nintendo could box up a **** and charge £60 for it and someone would still defend them!

 

[mahius]

The console itself is not that bad. It just that the lack of games (thusly looking similar to WiiU) and terrible decisions (paid online despite a bad track record, overpricing everything and the arrogance) means that most folks have no reason to buy one for a while yet.

Edit: The hope is that Nintendo does a Microsoft (or 3DS with the pricing) and changes their ways. But it'll only happen if we complain about it enough. Look at Xbox One, back then the outroar was deafening and now it's a successful and enjoyed system. The same could happen with the Switch. All that negativity could be turned around if Nintendo do the right thing.

People defending or ignoring Nintendo's bad decisions is only going to hurt themselves in the end. Negative feedback is essential to help improve things. Being stubborn and not wanting to change ways only results in downfall.

 

[XeNoN89]

Most us criticising Nintendo aren't doing it because we hate the company, we're doing it because we know they could be amazing, they could be leaders but are constantly making boneheaded decisions, like paid online, you don't announce you are charging for your online services and then don't go into detail about what your online services entail.
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This is my issue, I was genuinely excited about the switch before the conference. That's the first time I've been excited about Nintendo hardware since the DS!


But they screwed it up, the idea of a hybrid console was the best option for Nintendo in my opinion, with the merging of their home console and handheld studios all releasing games on one console - great potential. But instead of focusing on just being a good hybrid console with good games they went off on one and started focusing on stupid waggle controls and unnecessary gimmicks again. None of this was needed, the fact it's a hybrid would be the only special and different thing required.

All this has caused the price of the console and accessories to shoot way up higher than it should have and then they've topped it all off with screwing up their online service - again trying to be unnecessarily different!

And where are the games? Nintendo have released barely anything in the last 2 years, 2017 should have an amazing lineup on the Switch but there's barely anything of interest.

This is one of the most disappointing reveals ever.

 

[McBain]

Still don't know what HD rumble is.

 

[Warbie]

The whole VC is just hilarious, they are roms running in an emulator and yet they trickle them out every single console and you can be sure they are probably going to start the whole lot over again forntband Switch.

Nintendo are sitting on so many games and are squandering it.

Totally. I can only buy the same games so many times. Nintendo have such a great back catalogue that I wouldn't even need new games to want a handheld that had access to all of them. Absolutely squandering what they have.

The Netflix idea is great.

 

[Phate]

Do you not all agree that there is a big difference between constructive criticism and people simply being haters?

If I provided a wedding set of photos to a client and they gave me feedback which would improve the photos to their taste, and acted on it. This is to me, constructive criticism. Or someone said "you should change your website to make it show Blah instead of BlahBlah" this is also constructive feedback.

If someone then says to me "your photos are **** because you shoot with Canon and not Nikon" they would be firmly met with a rolleyes.

This thread has a big mixture of valid constructive points that Nintendo could gain a lot from to armchair "experts" spouting absolute nonsense. The latter is what I was trying to direct my point & annoyance to. It doesn't help and I'm (along with probably many others) just a bit fed up with it. People posting because it's cool to hate. I am all up for decent debate and discussion, but do it!

I am not directing this at anyone specifically ftr.

 

[Broken Hope]

I just hope Nintendo's paid online is only like £5-£10 a year, because frankly they can't justify much more. How can a company look at Sony's Instant Game Collection or Microsofts Games with Gold and think getting to rent a NES or SNES game for a month is competitive?

Not to mention there aren't a whole lot of online multiplayer games on Nintendo systems in the first place.

 

[Begbie]

Still don't know what HD rumble is.

Read a review the other day, and the reviewer said it was incredible. You could feel where the rumble was meant to be. He was playing some game where the rumble was used for this though, so whether other games use it or not.

 

[Kreeeee]

Finally got Portugal listing price. €330. So that is £290 at the current exchange rate. Not bad.

Games are being listed as €60. So £52 once converted.

I wasn't going to get one at launch but at this price and having a kid at the end of March why not?

 

[TNA]

Do you not all agree that there is a big difference between constructive criticism and people simply being haters?

If I provided a wedding set of photos to a client and they gave me feedback which would improve the photos to their taste, and acted on it. This is to me, constructive criticism. Or someone said "you should change your website to make it show Blah instead of BlahBlah" this is also constructive feedback.

If someone then says to me "your photos are **** because you shoot with Canon and not Nikon" they would be firmly met with a rolleyes.

This thread has a big mixture of valid constructive points that Nintendo could gain a lot from to armchair "experts" spouting absolute nonsense. The latter is what I was trying to direct my point & annoyance to. It doesn't help and I'm (along with probably many others) just a bit fed up with it. People posting because it's cool to hate. I am all up for decent debate and discussion, but do it!

I am not directing this at anyone specifically ftr.

I agree. A lot of people seem to like to *****. Not saying all, some do give constructive criticism, which is what I felt I was doing. I am still getting the console, but I am let down by quite a few things. The reveal did not meet my expectations and I did not exactly expect a lot

Feedback is obviously important and hopefully Nintendo listen to all this negative feedback and drop things like charting for online, start developing a lot more games and lower the price of games and accessories!

 

[Warbie]

I just hope Nintendo's paid online is only like £5-£10 a year, because frankly they can't justify much more. How can a company look at Sony's Instant Game Collection or Microsofts Games with Gold and think getting to rent a NES or SNES game for a month is competitive?

Not to mention there aren't a whole lot of online multiplayer games on Nintendo systems in the first place.

I'd pay full whack for access to entire VC and online services.

 

[McBain]

Read a review the other day, and the reviewer said it was incredible. You could feel where the rumble was meant to be. He was playing some game where the rumble was used for this though, so whether other games use it or not.

Hmm, sounds interesting. So like a targeted rumble?

 

[Begbie]

I wasn't going to get one at launch but at this price and having a kid at the end of March why not?

I'm in two minds to wait, and see how much it is in Cyprus as we get 20% back from VAT. If it's 300E, making it 240E would be bloody lovely. But I've a feeling it'll be more like 360.

 

[Phate]

I just hope Nintendo's paid online is only like £5-£10 a year, because frankly they can't justify much more. How can a company look at Sony's Instant Game Collection or Microsofts Games with Gold and think getting to rent a NES or SNES game for a month is competitive?

Not to mention there aren't a whole lot of online multiplayer games on Nintendo systems in the first place.

I think you're setting yourself up for more disappointment

I like the idea that they're going to offer it for free to get feedback/get it right first though. Well, attempt to.

I would expect £10-£15 per month, roughly. Depends what kind of services. They may open up a whole catalogue of games yet. Who knows!

Read a review the other day, and the reviewer said it was incredible. You could feel where the rumble was meant to be. He was playing some game where the rumble was used for this though, so whether other games use it or not.

Yes. A friends brother went to the UK event and one of the first things he mentioned was that the joy cons were very comfortable to hold individually when playing Zelda and the Rumble HD was crazy. Like insanely accurate. Just depends on if devs make use of it!

 

[Phate]

I wasn't going to get one at launch but at this price and having a kid at the end of March why not?

Which website is this?

Amazon.fr and .es list it for €330.