*** Nintendo Switch ***

Another review/first impressions, this time from AngryJoe, known for getting hit by Nintendo's copyright BS before (he literally says that he will cover this console and review it's games, but will stop if Nintendo pulls their BS again, despite fair use and all that).


There's a lot he seems to like about it and it's a fairly honest and fair review. One thing I have noticed is that universally, a lot of people hate the cheap feel of the kickstand and some are suggesting that it's designed that way to allow for 3rd party replacement kickstands to do a better job of it.

$500/£500 feels a bit too much for the base console, a couple of games and a Pro controller. Some people say that the WiiU was overpriced at launch and I'll admit that I feel slightly mugged for paying £360 for my WiiU with 2 games and it's pro controller. But compared to this, it's not so bad, even when taking into account the currency differences.

It's the accessories that really feel like a ripoff, after seeing what the stand really is, I don't believe it costs more than £10 to produce, so they must be making ridiculous profit on those spare docks.

I'm glad I've not bought this, though I can easily afford it. I just don't want to support bad pricing and a half-baked release. The Switch isn't feature complete in itself (Nintendo admit they will add a lto of features later on), besides the lack of games.
 
mahius said:
Another review/first impressions, this time from AngryJoe, known for getting hit by Nintendo's copyright BS before (he literally says that he will cover this console and review it's games, but will stop if Nintendo pulls their BS again, despite fair use and all that).


There's a lot he seems to like about it and it's a fairly honest and fair review. One thing I have noticed is that universally, a lot of people hate the cheap feel of the kickstand and some are suggesting that it's designed that way to allow for 3rd party replacement kickstands to do a better job of it.

$500/£500 feels a bit too much for the base console, a couple of games and a Pro controller. Some people say that the WiiU was overpriced at launch and I'll admit that I feel slightly mugged for paying £360 for my WiiU with 2 games and it's pro controller. But compared to this, it's not so bad, even when taking into account the currency differences.

It's the accessories that really feel like a ripoff, after seeing what the stand really is, I don't believe it costs more than £10 to produce, so they must be making ridiculous profit on those spare docks.

I'm glad I've not bought this, though I can easily afford it. I just don't want to support bad pricing and a half-baked release. The Switch isn't feature complete in itself (Nintendo admit they will add a lto of features later on), besides the lack of games.
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If the Nintendo Switch didn't have Zelda, it would be an absolute disaster. That fact that it does shows everyone it's potential. I honestly don't think myself or reviewers would have "gotten" the switch without having it, as the game puts the console into perspective.

When was the last time a console launched with one of their top titles? Just look at the metacritic top list for Playstation 3 & 4 and Xbox 360 & One. Not really a launch title in sight anywhere near the top and the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 launch lineups were horrendous. Playstation 4 and Xbox One better - but primarily due to multi-plat ports from third parties.

I'm personally glad i bought it but you're right, accessory wise it's a pricey affair, pretty par for the course with Nintendo though. I do think it's a pretty revolutionary console though and where would we be without Nintendo, we'd just be getting box after box that sits under the TV with new specs. Nintendo seem to at least experiment, sometimes to their detriment. I honestly believe the "Switch" format is the future for home consoles, makes so much sense to have it on the move and they've made the Switch in such a way that it doesn't feel alien. It could have gone wrong in so many ways.
 
I am keeping a close eye on my Pro controller. The resting position on the left stick varies, this can be seen on the calibration settings. Often, when releasing the stick, the console will register the stick as off centre. I first noticed this in Zelda, as I walked off a tower to my death whilst the controller was sat on the table!

I've had to calibrate the same stick twice, I think I willl exchange it.
 
Does anyones tv flick to black and back to the program you're watching when the switch is off but in its dock? mine does say once every hour or so. Its annoying.
 
I've just got off the phone with Nintendo Japan regarding the dock, and will hopefully be being sent a replacement that isn't bent.

A few things I want to address:

"Just get a screen protector if you're worried about it"
This is nonsensical - People get screen protectors to protect their screen from day to day life interactions, like accidentally putting your keys in the same pocket as your phone, to protect against minor drops and scuffs, the idea of getting a screen protector in general is perfectly fine - HOWEVER, having to buy and install a screen protector to protect a device from its own stock accessories is completely and utterly unacceptable - It's up to the manufacturer to do the testing and development to ensure that a device performs in the proper way and does not damage itself from normal use.

The dock having issues with scratching the screen is not the users fault, even if someone takes it out roughly, the dock simply should not use abrasive materials against soft plastic surfaces.
If you bought a phone and it came with a special case that was an integral part of the phones design and added further features to the phone (i.e. the case was the only option you had to access those features), you would not expect that case to also gradually damage the phone under normal use - so it's not out of the question for people to expect Nintendo to ship a dock that doesn't damage the Switch under normal use either - especially when docking and playing on a TV is such a major selling point of the device.

Simply put, the end user should not be expected to pay an additional cost (no matter how low that cost is) to prevent damage from interaction with OEM accessories.

The people complaining about this are not "nintendo haters", they are not "shills trying to increase screen protector sales" (this one especially is laughable given that the go-to dismissal from that side of the argument point at screen protectors as the solution), they are just Switch owners who feel they shouldn't have to buy additional things or mod their dock to prevent damage - this is something that can and should have been addressed by Nintendo during R&D.

I see many, many people chiming in with "well mine doesn't have any scratches so i think it's all a lie" - as pointed out multiple times in the thread, the dock has an issue with being bent to varying degrees, thus it stands to reason that the scratching can and will occur with varying ease, too, just because you don't have scratches now, doesn't mean you won't forever, and each time you play docked and the docks plastic gets put through a heat cycle, the chances it will eventually bend inwards and touch the screen increases too. the number of scratched screen reports is only going to increase over the coming weeks and months, so why not address it now and get Nintendo to sort it out before they've sold too many for a replacement/solution to be financially feasible?

Secondly, the dock's design suffers from two critical issues:

1) Design - The guidance tabs inside the dock should not have been left as raw plastic, or at the very least, had their edges rounded off to prevent corners doing linear scratches, this is a massive oversight by Nintendo.
2) Manufacturing negligence - The sporadic and varied occurrence of bending in the front panel is most definitely down to the plastics mold injection process, and, from my experience in engineering suggests either the production line was moving too quickly and ejecting the molded plastic too soon, or calibration issues with spot checks for quality control not happening often enough to weed out such issues whichever (or even if both) are the cause, it's on Nintendo to put things right - Be it with a redesigned dock for mail in replacement for current owners, or an exchange program for people with bent front panels.

Dismissing the issue entirely is nonsensical, protecting your feelings about the system / Nintendo should not take priority over protecting consumers from shoddy product design.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=231552383#post231552383
 
Lucky for me I never bother with screen protector. But the dock issue seems worrying. Would not mind a new free fixed dock if Nintendo provides it :)
 
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