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Reminds me what China and Russia have to gain should they side with NK in "War"?
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Thats the Anglo-Saxon point of view. Russia dislikes USA? probably the other way round. NATO is expanding and getting closer to Russia, not the other way round. Also the Arab world is a mess exclusively because of the west disastrous choices in the region. South American countries are corrupt hence they will join Russia? what a LOL comment my god, latin america was exploited and ruled as if they were colonies by the USA. Seriously, have you got any idea of what youre talking about? ever heard of Guatemala coup d'etat? Banana wars? You sound like the anglosaxon world is the victim of this planet...
But none of this will happen, because Russia and China interests do not align and are not ready to take on the US. I am worried about trumps choices, i cant believe the comments he makes on NK. Also dont forget, the seas are ruled 100% by the US Navy, he who rules the seas rules the world (thucydides)
Russia and China actually could gain with NK out of the picture, the proverbial black sheep will be out of the political saga... leaving only the true reasons for the US to be in Asia, which means a Chinese effort to increase their holdings in the area will be justified, mainly because the rest of the area just saw a country get ripped to pieces by the Americans, perhaps in the 50s that'd fly as these countries being scared of the hegemon, China is perhaps strangely a much more benevolent potential ally with cheap military tech... it's up in the air imo.
Of course anything could happen right now, so whatever.
Of course anything could happen right now, so whatever.
Anglo-saxon? really?
South American countries are not corrupt? then care to explain how they are not?
Russia probably hates USA than vice-versa? - true, given the fact that Putin constantly comes across as all "couldn't give a damn" about USA/western politics" but at the end of the day we the general public do not have a clue of the truth. Russia is ALL about patriotism that is blatantly obvious nothing more nothing less, the more ground it covers the better - at any cost - as clearly seen with Crimea, no matter what any agenda may seem.
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Well that's it, absolutely **** all! What they will get, is a refugee crisis...
There won't be any refugee crises if Russia is involved. All life on Earth will just be gone, other than fungus - the seed of life.
Ultimately its in the best interest of the world for the USA to invade/conquer N Korea, to bring democracy to the N Korean people.
Someone has to do it. The USA will be hated for it one way or another (just like the British and Roman Empires), empires advance humanity or else we'd all still be munching on banana's.
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All is this insane and is a old viewpoint, like something from the movie War Games with the different pacs attacking each other.
Oh I agree on the Islamist terrorism part.
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Not 'siding' with North Korea, but it's an opportunity for them to take America's place as the World leader....
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If China and Russia kicked off neither country would be left in a position in which that would be possible.
I know what you mean. My younger self would strongly share the same point of view.
But for as long as the world still has even a single nuke, and a country like N Korea threatening to nuke any other country, then we shall remain in the past of war time responsibility.
Only after greed is gone, ie anyone on an income of over £100k a year (of current value) shall humanity prosper peacefully. Until then, nah, will not happen, not even in the slightest. Humans are greedy its a blatant fact.
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I'm sure they would love this, but until Russian and China can match the US in terms of navy sea power, it's all a pipe dream.
That said China is slowly building a blue water navy up with aircraft carriers, but still it's early days and least half a century till they could match the US.
Russia isn't building any Aircraft carriers, that said, they could give the US Navy a bloody nose, remember their aircraft carrier fleets equal more firepower than most nations military.
Would be huge and expensive losses on both sides, but the US would still win.
That said, I don't think for one moment, any of the three powers would risk war with each other, they all got to much to lose and all of them are connected to each other in trade, it be suicide.
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I didn't mean they would be the 'World leader' militarily.
Just that America would diminish and be seen as the bad guys, with Russia and China to the rescue, so to speak.
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Oh I can see that point, I understand what you mean, but that would take some major spin-doctor work by the media to make that happen.
Ironically, its a good thing for us Brits. The US are our greatest prodigy and even well earned ally. The USA do not want anything bad to happen to us, we're their Pearl Harbour of the Atlantic so no way would they allow us to be defeated by anyone for as long as we stay as... best mates.
But ultimately humanity will be utterly destroyed anyway.
Come on everyone! Spread the love! we're all equal you know? lets keep that dream going. And don't forget to blame Trump no matter what, because you know... he's the ONLY leader with balls, something we've cried for for a very long time, and now we don't want that because he hasn't earned the right to be a leader...
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A certain section of society were complaining they wanted a leader with balls, that group isn't the one now complaining.
Also worth noting that a leader with balls and a strong leader are very different entities. Trump is a weak leader, as seen by his inability to get anything through either houses, and his inability to pass almost al of the election promises he has tried to enact.
Trump isn't doing this because he has balls, he's doing t to distract people from the chaos and innefectualness of his administration.
It's saying something when the military are trying to tone things down, before Trum ratchets things up again.
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Yeah all accomodation on the sleeper train in China and hotels in North Korea. All meals in North Korea including a beer with lunch and dinner.
Only extra is the NK visa which is 50 euro but we sort that out.
Oh really? You are comparing a leader that has been in power for 6 months compared to someone of 8 years.
umm...... .... "scratches temple"..
ya know?
no? fair enough.
Erm, no.
It looking at what Trump has done (or more precisely failed to do), and the actions and reactions he has shown in the last 8 months.
Everything from his failure to pass the immigration ban multiple times, to his failure to do anything about Obamacare even though the republicans have both houses and presidency amongst others and they've been trying to do it for the last 8 months. Add that to his failure to fill multiple positions within his own cabinet (let alone government departments) and the constant stream of resignations and firings, along with the multitude of his allies that are having to recuse themselves and/or resign due to ongoing investigations by congress and the FBI.
Alongside that the constant rhetoric he spouts live and on twitter when anything difficult comes up. I'm not sure if Trump honestly wants a war to push all the controversies, investigations and failures out of the public consciousness, or whether he really is stupid enough to just be making these statements without actually rationalizing what may happen.
He doesn't have balls and he's not a strong leader. Headstrong, sure, but certainly not strong, either comparatively or just generally.