North Korea

I can see forces coming down on Kim fat face / idiot haircut very soon! He is edging ever closer to people just having a guts full and stopping him before he actually does something extremely mad

The problem is Russia is still defending them and vetos anything the UN tries to do about it.
 
well something I learnt from all this news, is tvs in Japan turn themselves on from standby for emergency broadcast, as well as text messages and air raid siren.

Does our emergency broadcast turn on the tv and would we get text messages?

oh and an idiotic British think tank is blaming Ukraine for leap in rocket technology. despite Ukraine shutting don those production lines in the mid 90s and there's only a few engines that haven't been flown and those are accounted for, Russias stockpile on the other hand.
 
The problem is Russia is still defending them and vetos anything the UN tries to do about it.
We need something to go wrong to cause Russia and China to really kick Kim up thw backside.

Maybe if one of the missiles malfunctions, goes off course and hits china/russia we would see some progress
 
I'm pretty sure he doesn't fully comprehend the nuances of international diplomacy. He's hyper aggressive in his recalcitrant rhetoric on the world stage. Compare him to Obama. Obama was a skillful orator who always projected a rational, calm and considered tone in his speeches. Trump however displays knee jerk reactions to just about everything he says, that hasn't been written for him by a speech writer. Trump is essentially the antithesis to Obama's reason. Our only saving grace is that there are people around him in the background who advise him and inform him and it's these people who hopefully keep Trump honest for want of a better word. The frightening thing is, what if he stops listening and decides to do something rash on the spur of the moment? It could get messy.

Yes but 8 years of being a skillful orator and basically doing nothing has led us to NK now having ICBMs. Such a cop out blaming Trump. Whatever Trump says KJU will still test nukes and missiles. If Trump invited him to the White house for a steak and, ahem, massage from Melania, he'd still fly home and test another missile. The guy cannot be reasoned with
 
Yes but 8 years of being a skillful orator and basically doing nothing has led us to NK now having ICBMs. Such a cop out blaming Trump. Whatever Trump says KJU will still test nukes and missiles. If Trump invited him to the White house for a steak and, ahem, massage from Melania, he'd still fly home and test another missile. The guy cannot be reasoned with

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
The problem is Russia is still defending them and vetos anything the UN tries to do about it.

They aren't defending them for being friends, they're defending them only to annoy the UN process (which is equally as **** on the allied side, it's a complete waste of breath even mentioning the UN).
 
They aren't defending them for being friends, they're defending them only to annoy the UN process (which is equally as **** on the allied side, it's a complete waste of breath even mentioning the UN).

Yep, Russia blocks pretty much everything the US wants to do, just because. Then when they go in alone they cry that it's illegal.
 
Yep, Russia blocks pretty much everything the US wants to do, just because. Then when they go in alone they cry that it's illegal.

Well Iraq was illegal, but it's fine apparently, air-brushed from polite discussion as if it never happened that way.

The UN director (probably less powerful than a doormat in front of number 10) said as much.
 
oh and an idiotic British think tank is blaming Ukraine for leap in rocket technology. despite Ukraine shutting don those production lines in the mid 90s and there's only a few engines that haven't been flown and those are accounted for, Russias stockpile on the other hand.

That's just some nonsense the Russians are trying to pedal as is comfortably fits within their global goals.
 
That's just some nonsense the Russians are trying to pedal as is comfortably fits within their global goals.

It doesn't take even 2 seconds of google, let alone having actual specialist knowledge in the field, to discover that Iran (who probably got it from Russia originally) has access to the same technology as per its satellite launching configuration and has much closer military/tech ties to NK.
 
Well they have had help from Russia...

No they haven't, do you really think Russia wants a unpredictable madman sat on it's border with nuclear weapons? It's Pakistan more than anyone that have been aiding the DPRoK in creating a viable nuclear programme. A country that, for some bizarre reason, we still shovel bucket loads of cash labelled as 'foreign aid' to.

The problem is Russia is still defending them and vetos anything the UN tries to do about it.

Do they now? Sorry for the Wiki cut 'n' paste, but I have 1.5 eyes on the cooker.

In March 1994 during the first North Korean nuclear crisis, Russia, emphasizing its position as a member of Northeast Asia, proposed the eight-party talks, which included participants from North and South Korea, Russia, the U.S., China, Japan, the IAEA and the UN Secretary General.[28]

From 2003 onward both states participated in the Six-party talks.

In October 2006 Russia supported United Nations Security Council Resolution 1718 condemning North Korea's nuclear test.

After North Korea detonated another nuclear weapon on 25 May 2009 the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a sharp note of condemnation; The statement called the test a "violation" of previous Security Council resolutions and a "serious blow" to the nuclear nonproliferation regime. It also complained that “the latest DPRK moves are provoking an escalation of tension in Northeast Asia.”[29]

North Korea under the third generation leader Kim Jong-Un continues to defy the international community in relation to its nuclear and rocket programme.[30] It has recently advised foreign embassies that the North Korean government could not guarantee their safety in an event of conflict and advised the foreign embassies to reconsider their evacuation plans.[30]

On March 2016, following the January 2016 North Korean nuclear test, Russia supported a U.N. Security Council resolution regarding the introduction of further sanctions against North Korea. Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov said "the Kremlin is concerned over North Korea’s statements about its readiness to use nuclear forces and urges all states to display restraint", in response to Kim Jong-un's orders to the military to deploy the nuclear warheads so they can be fired at "any moment" and be prepared to launch preemptive attacks against its enemies.[31]
 
So we wake up to more threats making the front pages.

'The UN Security Council has unanimously condemned North Korea for its actions' - granted I'm not the world's most accomplished diplomat, but what does this actually achieve? Seems like a waste of time and a load of hot air to me.
 
fund/supply opposition/rebellious groups and hope for a civil war?

I'm not sure that is really a realistic proposition with NK - the closed nature of the country makes it hard for the US, etc. to do effective on the ground spying and building relationships so even identifying people who could be opposition and connecting them together is difficult and the regime tends to stamp out the merest suspected signs of opposition. The regime also apparently moves people around a lot partly for show to try and make the country look more prosperous than it is but also makes it harder for any organisation of covert opposition.

The major cities tend to have a high number of people who've shown loyalty to the regime and have just enough they have something to lose so less likely to get involved in any rebellion which makes it harder for anything like that to grow support in the major cities which is often required for an effective rebellion or coup.

Unlike places like Syria where weapons, etc. were relatively plentiful in supply their active military are hideously under-equipped for the most part with 90% of their hardware locked away under guard by loyal forces for use in the event of an attack on NK which makes any kind of armed uprising harder.
 
I'm not very good with world politics and such. But something i heard on my drive to work about these missile tests being illegal. Says who? Its his country, in my mind i have this picture of Team America World Police imposing laws on countries that never agreed to anything.
Why is NK testing missiles illegal but if we tested some its not?
 
I'm not very good with world politics and such. But something i heard on my drive to work about these missile tests being illegal. Says who? Its his country, in my mind i have this picture of Team America World Police imposing laws on countries that never agreed to anything.
Why is NK testing missiles illegal but if we tested some its not?

Says all treaties signed by most if the world's power directly in response to atrocities that make sense to prevent from happening again.
 
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