North Korea

But just in the way your personal economics isn't like a countries economics, international laws for countries aren't the same countries laws for its citizens

If you haven't signed up to the non-nuclear proliferation treaty or the ban on cluster munitions, then you aren't breaking 'the law' when you do either are you.
 
robj20 said:
But why is it illegal in sure north Korea didn't agree to above by any rules so what rules are they breaking.
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you don't have to agree.

If everyone else in the group agrees to certain behaviours and you dont then there's no higher law stopping them refusing to sell you stuff etc.

international law/politics is basically anarchy where whats legal is decided by strength/power.
 
Freakbro said:
If you haven't signed up to the non-nuclear proliferation treaty or the ban on cluster munitions, then you aren't breaking 'the law' when you do either are you.
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course not, but everyone else in the world who did sign it isnt breaking the law by going "yeah we're going to stop you"
 
Tefal said:
course not, but everyone else in the world who did sign it isnt breaking the law by going "yeah we're going to stop you"
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Well, that's a point of argument, since many people do say we broke the law when we invaded Iraq, no-one did anything about it though

And that's because I agree with your might is right argument
 
Freakbro said:
Well, that's a point of argument, since many people do say we broke the law when we invaded Iraq, no-one did anything about it though

And that's because I agree with your might is right argument
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yep, the law only matters if theres someone willing and able to enforce it.
 
I just find it a bit strange. Missile launched. Stop it. Another missile launch. No really stop it.
And it just goes on seemingly.
If he's breaking laws, take him to court, lol.
 
robj20 said:
I just find it a bit strange. Missile launched. Stop it. Another missile launch. No really stop it.
And it just goes on seemingly.
If he's breaking laws, take him to court, lol.
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The trouble is that NK are refusing to talk. Diplomacy doesn't work with them. Every attempt at diplomacy over the last 60 years has been a failure. Sanctions haven't had much effect as China still openly trade with NK plus the sanctions affect the people of NK in a deleterious way whereas the regime are largely unaffected. Ultimately, the UN will try everything possible to avoid military conflict but we are approaching a time where military action against NK is becoming more and more likely.
 
Sliver said:
Violating Japan's airspace for starters I would think.
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Flying a rocket over a country isn't actually violating their airspace (it has a height limit), it is common courtesy to inform them first though, if only to avoid them getting the wrong idea. I.E back in the 90's Norway launched a satellite that flew over Russia, but they never informed all the relevant Russian authorities and so it appeared to the Russians as an incoming ICBM, luckily Yeltsin had already been drinking and so aborted launching a respose XD
 
Lots of my japanese friends that I been speaking too are pretty scared, they fed up having to stop work and their daily lives to go to the shelters.

Really tugged at my heart strings while normally am pretty desensitised to these things, but I guess when you are living within range of their missiles and hearing sirens flare up, it's a whole different story.
 
Every country should be free to develop the technology if they have the capability, I don't see how countries with nuclear weapons can seriously expect North Korea or anyone else to listen to listen, it's the do what we say and not what we do mentally.

However, using other counties airspace/territory to test the rockets is obviously not acceptable.

Hopefully nothing will come of this but if it does it will be devastating for South Korea and Japan.
 
ubersonic said:
It's not illegal, what western politicians mean is that they don't like it and so they just use provocative language to try and get people on their side.
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The UN has banned them from testing missiles, we create international law through the UN, so it's illegal. The UN security council is responsible for ensuring world peace. It's not just "Western politicians", Russia, China and most of the civilised world has told them to stop launching missiles. Why are there so many apologists around these days?
 
Shocky-FM said:
Every country should be free to develop the technology if they have the capability, I don't see how countries with nuclear weapons can seriously expect North Korea or anyone else to listen to listen, it's the do what we say and not what we do mentally.
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Well said.


Roar87 said:
The UN has banned them from testing missiles
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Which is cute, but the UN has no legal say over what sovereign countries can/cannot do within their own boarders.

They can try and play world police all they like but they are not a legal authority just a bunch of politicians sitting around a table.
 
robj20 said:
Are we even at any danger from NK, surely we can intercept anything they can throw at us.
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"We"? As in the UK? Not from North Korea.

But if there is any retaliation against North Korea, they immediately bombard Seoul with thousands of rounds of high explosive Artillery fire, killing 100's of thousands and that country then potentially face the wrath of Nuclear capable China, who are allied with NK.
 
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