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Unless you just knocked out the leadership and infrastructure then offered them surrender terms, you don't have to go in and fight the entire NK army to the last man


So just to be clear here you've destroyed the leadership/comand structure and communication infrastructure...


Who the **** are you offering surrender terns to?
 
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NK is a bit like Japan at the end of WW2
The assertion that US weight of arms would just overwhelm a large force of conventional soldiers.

The reality is it didn't work the first time in Korea and it didn't work in Vietnam. The reality is up against a large force of dedicated soldiers and irregulars the US (and other western nations) has and will struggle without devastating cost to them.

Wars like Iraq and Afghanistan haven't been a walk in the park and we were lucky with them that the Iraqi army basically capitulated on day 2. When there are several million military members (even poorly trained) that won't just lay down their arms we are in deep ****.

I'm sure if we really were dedicated to winning at all costs then we/the US would win, but as shown in Vietnam and Iraq the political cost outweighs that in all but the most extreme circumstances, and a war with a country that has no intention/ability to ever threaten your own countries way of life will never be extreme circumstances. As soon as the body bags start coming home the pressure will be well and truly on.

Invading NK would be like Invading Japan in 1945.

The invaders would suffer massive casualties, Many hundreds of thousands.

The defenders losses would likely run to millions (Many of whom would be civilians).

We currently live in a world where a Soldier can be convicted of Murder/Manslaughter for shooting an enemy who was already dying and beyond any practical hope.

Our governments today simply to not have the stomach for the sort of Warfare that invading and defeating NK would represent.

And NK knows it!

NK's position is currently pretty secure from attack. Should they really develop a significant ICBM capability they will be pretty well invulnerable. At this point they will be pretty safe attacking the south.

Nobody in the wider world would wish to risk a Nuclear attack defending SK, not even the USA. SK would be given a token defence, and if it failed, Non-SK forces would come to terms and withdraw.
 
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Another launch this evening from Kusong. Very early in the morning there though.

No news on it being a failure, looks like a successful IRBM test.
 
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InsideNK report it flew 700km.

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South Korean military this has come from! Yonhap reporting this as well.
 
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I just can't see them ever stopping trying, they might slow/pause if enough concessions are made but give them time or they feel like going for more concessions they'll be right back at it and eventually can't not have capabilities to actually do things they threaten.
 
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Looking less and less like the stopper can be put back in this one - new South Korean president saying war very likely and China moving more heavy equipment to the border and armoured law enforcement/civilian administration units to population areas on the border.
 
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NK's position is currently pretty secure from attack. Should they really develop a significant ICBM capability they will be pretty well invulnerable. At this point they will be pretty safe attacking the south.


that's not true, they would be invulnerable unless they attacked SK.

if they did attack they would have at best a handful of nukes and missiles which could be rapidly destroyed in first strike attacks by the USA etc (think thier big launch platforms are surviving a nuke? or an underground base operating after a salted bomb is detonated over it forcing it to remain closed.


they have no hope of launching a nuke in time because they'd be attacked first.

the conventional war would be hell on earth but there would be huge political will for it.
 
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that's not true, they would be invulnerable unless they attacked SK.

if they did attack they would have at best a handful of nukes and missiles which could be rapidly destroyed in first strike attacks by the USA etc (think thier big launch platforms are surviving a nuke? or an underground base operating after a salted bomb is detonated over it forcing it to remain closed.


they have no hope of launching a nuke in time because they'd be attacked first.

the conventional war would be hell on earth but there would be huge political will for it.

Theres only huge political will right now because America has currently a hard on for anti-foreign foreign policy, then they'll moan and cry that their little babies came home in a hundred pieces.
 
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Theres only huge political will right now because America has currently a hard on for anti-foreign foreign policy, then they'll moan and cry that their little babies came home in a hundred pieces.


huge political will will come from the destruction of Seoul, there massacre of thousands of innocents broadcast 24/7 in 4k HDR ( not as catchy as technicolour though is it?)

after that war is war and American and the rest opf the world is begging for a war thats not morally ambiguous where were reliving the good old ww2 days not fighting tribes in the mountains of who-gives-a-****-istan
 
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huge political will will come from the destruction of Seoul, there massacre of thousands of innocents broadcast 24/7 in 4k HDR ( not as catchy as technicolour though is it?)

You mean the probable tiny amount of Seoul that is within range of some of the Norths artillery? It's literally one or two suburbs i believe... hardly calamity.
 
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You mean the probable tiny amount of Seoul that is within range of some of the Norths artillery? It's literally one or two suburbs i believe... hardly calamity.

i thought we where talking an invasion here?

in orionouts position that's potentially NBC warfare, massive troop movements and artillery moved forward.

how small an area attacked by NBC weapons would be enough to enrage every god fearing redneck?
 
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i thought we where talking an invasion here?

in orionouts position that's potentially NBC warfare, massive troop movements and artillery moved forward.

how small an area attacked by NBC weapons would be enough to enrage every god fearing redneck?

NBC could add a nasty angle to it :( any kind of build up to support mass troop and artillery movement could be seen a long time before it would be ready to go let alone getting through the defences to bring more of their artillery into range.

If NK do anything IMO it would be more likely intermediate range missiles with potentially chemical or biological warheads aimed at places the US has bases in SK and Japan. The bigger problems really is that they probably aren't going to ever stop trying to obtain long range nuclear capabilities and eventually someone will have to do something whether they actually would use them or not because no one could be sure.
 
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i thought we where talking an invasion here?

in orionouts position that's potentially NBC warfare, massive troop movements and artillery moved forward.

how small an area attacked by NBC weapons would be enough to enrage every god fearing redneck?

How the hell does North Korea move through thousands of mines?
 
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How the hell does North Korea move through thousands of mines?

Boat?

Tanks/bulldozers with mine clearing ewuipment


Those big ass caonnons that fire thos tubes full of explosves to clear mines

Soviet style punishment batalions forced to march shoulder to shoulder into the feild


And biggest issue would probbaly be the fact they put the majority of them there and know the feilds


But again he said theyd attack SK. Not me
 
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