Norwegian rape victim sentenced to 1 year and 4 months of prison in Dubai for sex outside of marriag

Xordium said:
Care to explain what is so backwards about them? And which ones exactly are backward?
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Backward.

back·ward (bkwrd)
adj.
1. Directed or facing toward the back or rear.
2. Done or arranged in a manner or order that is opposite to previous occurrence or normal use.
3. Unwilling to act; reluctant; shy.
4. Behind others in progress or development:

On social issues regarding gender & sexual equality.

Which regions, pretty much the entire developing world - as these changes have only come recently in time in social development & in a few parts of the world.

More prevalent in theocratic states, social authoritarian nations & highly religious country's.

Just to clarify, the society & it's rules are backwards - not the people (as they simply fit into the society they are born into) - don't get me wrong, I think the UK/USA are backward regarding our foreign policy & imperialism, but the thread was specifically about the treatment of a rape victim - which comparatively we are not as backwards.

On that issue we are not behind the world in progress.
 
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Yeah, issue is, under their law, she seems to have been convicted by reporting a criem she had no witnesses to backup.
How one could ever successfully report a rape in that country, under those circumstances bewilders me, but she reported it, couldn't prove it, but had admitted in that process to breaking one of their laws.

The fact the law contravenes human rights laws would be an issue if the country applied human rights law. It doesn't appear to.

One would hope one's own government would do more to try to obtain a person release, but the Australian who was 'done' for a similar crime spent 9 months in jail prior to being pardoned.

Bar the purchase of oil (necessary), and the sale of expensive military gear (profit), people really should avoid the place. Quite why people think going to the middle of the desert for a holiday is good idea bewilders me, not my cup of tea. There enough designer shopping malls much closer to home if I wish to visit.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Yeah, issue is, under their law, she seems to have been convicted by reporting a criem she had no witnesses to backup.
How one could ever successfully report a rape in that country, under those circumstances bewilders me, but she reported it, couldn't prove it, but had admitted in that process to breaking one of their laws.

The fact the law contravenes human rights laws would be an issue if the country applied human rights law. It doesn't appear to.

One would hope one's own government would do more to try to obtain a person release, but the Australian who was 'done' for a similar crime spent 9 months in jail prior to being pardoned.

Bar the purchase of oil (necessary), and the sale of expensive military gear (profit), people really should avoid the place. Quite why people think going to the middle of the desert for a holiday is good idea bewilders me, not my cup of tea. There enough designer shopping malls much closer to home if I wish to visit.
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Indeed. Their law is a disgrace, and absolutely designed to simply make reporting the crime next to impossible, as this young lady has just found out.

Sickening that her homeland seemingly don't want to do anything about it. While we have guilty as sin drug smugglers and all sorts receiving humanitarian aid to prevent them being locked up abroad or executed, pure victims like this are brushed aside and told that they should have learned the laws -- which, disgustingly, in this case pretty much amounts to "Shouldn't have gone and got raped, then, should you?"

Why any woman in their right mind would set foot in that embarassment of a society for tourism purposes is beyond me.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Pretty backwards putting an innocent woman in prison for being raped.
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Oh I agree but I am sure they have their excuses.

Personally I think it's pretty backwards believing any old unverified **** off the internet.

Abraxaz1 said:
If the story is true.
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And we need go no further ....

elmarko said:
/snip.
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So in short what you said was a sweeping generalisation and when questioned you narrowed it down to something quite different.
 
Xordium said:
So in short what you said was a sweeping generalisation and when questioned you narrowed it down to something quite different.
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Not really, I said "this kind of thing happens often", it does - women have no real rights across the world & suffer this kind of thing in many parts of the developing world & I'm posting in a thread about a nation which has that kind of backwards law.

If it was a thread about something general then I'd agree, but as the thread is pretty specific, as in about a singular story - I would have thought it was obvious to what I was referencing (hence not explaining in great detail).
 
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Xordium said:
Well if you want to believe that ... "I just find it hilarious when we turn a blind eye to these backwards nations"
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Would it not be obvious as to what kind of nations & what laws I was referring?, in a thread about punishing victims of abuse or rape?. :confused:

It's not like this kind of thing is some made up fantasy created to bash Muslims, women being punished for "moral crimes" is a very real problem in much of the developed world (highly religious nations) - regardless as to if this specific case is real or not.

The west most certainly does turn a blind eye to less developed nations (socially/equality wise) who abuse the rights of it's citizens, specifically women/homosexuals if they play economic ball with us - I fail to see how the statement is factually incorrect.
 
You can pick just about any Middle Eastern Muslim country for examples of abuse, Saudi Arabia is the most hideous of the lot, they still behead women for Witchcraft FFS
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what kind of planet do you live on mate? I been working in Saudi for the past for 4 years they have clubs bars and casual drinking places rich British/Caucasian people lounging and drinking with the wealthy Arabs the poor people are Arabs from the slums which are disregarded by the wealthy. And the laws are more relaxed than any as 3 eye witness are required for any crime to take place before prosecution can begin... live or learn about the country before you spread ***
 
Geekazoid said:
what kind of planet do you live on mate? I been working in Saudi for the past for 4 years they have clubs bars and casual drinking places rich British/Caucasian people lounging and drinking with the wealthy Arabs the poor people are Arabs from the slums which are disregarded by the wealthy. And the laws are more relaxed than any as 3 eye witness are required for any crime to take place before prosecution can begin... live or learn about the country before you spread ***
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Do you mean 4 male witnesses or 8 female witnesses?

What if there are no witnesses at all?

What you describe is a shocking state of affairs. Quite why they cannot bring their laws up to date I don't know. It's not like the hard work hasn't already been done elsewhere.
 
Geekazoid said:
what kind of planet do you live on mate?
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I live on planet "Peoplewhocanread", how about you? :confused:

What did my post say: SA beheads people who are accused of witchcraft.
Is this true: yes
Has this happened: yes
Define beheading: head is separated from body, owner usually dies.
Does my post mention anything about white people drinking: no


...and back to you :)
 
Geekazoid said:
what kind of planet do you live on mate? I been working in Saudi for the past for 4 years they have clubs bars and casual drinking places rich British/Caucasian people lounging and drinking with the wealthy Arabs the poor people are Arabs from the slums which are disregarded by the wealthy. And the laws are more relaxed than any as 3 eye witness are required for any crime to take place before prosecution can begin... live or learn about the country before you spread ***
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I may be getting you wrong but... How does that constitute a good thing in anyone's book????
 
So is this story true or not??. Doesnt surprise me if it is true, as a fellow muslim i see a lot of this inequality happen in most muslim countries. Saudi being one of the worst if you are caught doing something unlawful but something is very wrong in their interpretation of the Sharia law if they feel its the right thing to do ie imprison a rape victim :/
 
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MeEsH BaKkA said:
I may be getting you wrong but... How does that constitute a good thing in anyone's book????
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Good question :)

elmarko said:
Indeed, would that not mean if a group of men raped a women - nothing would get done due to the women being a singular witness? - assuming are counted as witnesses against men that it.
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That is exactly right.

The fact that they seem to jail women for having the temerity of levelling any accusation at one of their men speaks volumes.

Though, I've just thought of something. Was the bloke actually found guilty of rape? If not, where is the evidence that she had extra-marital sex?
 
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