Nurburgring - German Grand Prix 2009 - Race 9/17

He would have been swamped at T2 as he would have been on the inside of a near 180degree sweeping left turn. He would have stayed on the circuit but perhaps lost more than the places he gained from the start and potentially someone might have falling over him anyway...

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AcidHell2 said:
Yeah, I remember a different onboard view. must have been a different incident.

But it's still not an aggressive move. it wasn't a massive steering wheel movement. It is very unlikely webber could see him. But Barrichelo could. It was still a racing incident after watching the replays on the highlights feed.
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Trust me, Mark saw him :D
 
AcidHell2 said:
Yeah, I remember a different onboard view. must have been a different incident.

But it's still not an aggressive move. it wasn't a massive steering wheel movement. It is very unlikely webber could see him. But Barrichelo could. It was still a racing incident after watching the replays on the highlights feed.
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Again of course he saw him, why else was his moving to the inside of the track instead of taking the upcoming line into the corner. At 180mph you dont need a massive steering movement to agressively swipe towards rubens.

Find the overhead shot they showed on the race day and you can clearly see how quickly and agressively Webber went for Rubens.

There is no reason for moving to that side of the track if he didn't know rubens was there.
 
On another note, I thought the 2009 aero rules would make it easier for a F1 car to follow and overtake another car, but it looks like they have more trouble than last year :confused:
 
Dutch Guy said:
On another note, I thought the 2009 aero rules would make it easier for a F1 car to follow and overtake another car, but it looks like they have more trouble than last year :confused:
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I think they can get a bit closer (am sure CS||nuTs can give a bit more insight) but still not close enough to make moves easier.
 
ps3ud0 said:
He would have been swamped at T2 as he would have been on the inside of a near 180degree sweeping left turn. He would have stayed on the circuit but perhaps lost more than the places he gained from the start and potentially someone might have falling over him anyway...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Exactly ;)

Dutch Guy said:
On another note, I thought the 2009 aero rules would make it easier for a F1 car to follow and overtake another car, but it looks like they have more trouble than last year :confused:
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That was the thought until all the doube diffuser gubbens lol - Im not sure if its true, but Ive heard the DD's make the air dirtier for any car following therefore making overtaking more difficult again

There was something about the Brawn's being able to follow closer to other cars with DD's in the commentary without being so badly affected although Im not entirely sure about how (and certainly yesterday it seemed to be the case that JB certainly could get to less than 0.5s before having dirty air behind a few cars - I think most front runners if not all now have some kind of DD
 
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Christo said:
Hamiltons right back tyre was punctured, hence he serving off the track - look at the bbc link above. If he hadnt had a puncture he would have stayed on the track..
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I think the matter is to avoid the puncture Hamilton would either have had to stay to the left of the first corner or broke later so Webbers front wing didnt touch his tyres.

In both these situations Hamilton would have either been on the extreme inside of T2 or at a speed differential to the remainder of the pack due to out braking himself or both.

Numerous times after a pit stop (i.e. Sutil) it was shown that on new tyres not up to temperaure people were understeering wide at T1 which also wouldnt have helped Hamilton after his start (either himself or other cars moving towards him as they exited T1)...

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ps3ud0 said:
I think the matter is to avoid the puncture Hamilton would either have had to stay to the left of the first corner or broke later so Webbers front wing didnt touch his tyres.
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You make it sound like it was Hamilton's fault that Webber went into the back of him :/
 
Webber didnt move over looking at his steering input and if Hamilton was trying to overtake him it would be on his onus where to complete the passing move...

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stockhausen said:
Have the rules for 2010 been set in stone then :confused:
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Nothing in this sport is set in stone right now. But they'll know what's likely to be allowed, and can start with that. If Mad Max does the decent thing and buggers off then maybe a collapse can be averted and the 2010 season will be run mostly to 2009 rules.
 
Can't seem to find a link to the F1 Forum (red button) for this race on bbc website.. Can someone link me it if there is one?
Cheers
 
ps3ud0 said:
I think the matter is to avoid the puncture Hamilton would either have had to stay to the left of the first corner or broke later so Webbers front wing didnt touch his tyres.

In both these situations Hamilton would have either been on the extreme inside of T2 or at a speed differential to the remainder of the pack due to out braking himself or both.

Numerous times after a pit stop (i.e. Sutil) it was shown that on new tyres not up to temperaure people were understeering wide at T1 which also wouldnt have helped Hamilton after his start (either himself or other cars moving towards him as they exited T1)...

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Webber touched Hamiltons back tyre not sure how thats Hamiltons fault?
 
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Christo said:
Webber touched Hamiltons back tyre not sure how thats Hamiltons fault?
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No he didnt - he made no active movement on his steering wheel and looking at Barrichello he wasnt braking late for the corner (I cant remember if the pass was in the braking zone though) - it would normally be acknowledged that the person commiting the overtaking move ensures its as clean as possible IMHO - its a shame we didnt see a LH onboard of the start...

Noones at fault, but there was no way Hamilton was going to make that corner and keep the lead even without the touch due to the reasons I raised before...

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ps3ud0 said:
No he didnt - he made no active movement on his steering wheel and looking at Barrichello he wasnt braking late for the corner (I cant remember if the pass was in the braking zone though) - it would normally be acknowledged that the person commiting the overtaking move ensures its as clean as possible IMHO - its a shame we didnt see a LH onboard of the start...

Noones at fault, but there was no way Hamilton was going to make that corner and keep the lead even without the touch due to the reasons I raised before...

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In his interview post race Hamilton said he felt a bump from behind - looking at the footage it could only be Webber. Im not saying he's to blame, its just racing, just saying thats what happened.
 
I know - I never disagreed - all I was originally saying is that even without the puncture Hamilton would have probably been swallowed up by the pack in T2 due to not being on the racing line and not to speed...

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