NVIDIA 4000 Series

Minusorange · 31 May 2023 at 22:43

Gerard said:
it doesn't seem to take much to rock it out of position even when its supposedly plugged in properly.

So the MSI cable is pretty pointless if it can come loose after you've plugged it in, unless you're looking at it everyday to make sure it's all the way in but then it doesn't solve any problem if you're having to check it constantly

Gerard · 31 May 2023 at 22:53

Minusorange said:
So the MSI cable is pretty pointless if it can come loose after you've plugged it in, unless you're looking at it everyday to make sure it's all the way in but then it doesn't solve any problem if you're having to check it constantly

The connector itself is just *****, the repair guy reckons its badly designed and would need more clips on it to lock it into position which I think is mentioned in that video or the one previous where he talks about gamers nexus and jays videos.

Grim5 · 31 May 2023 at 23:08

Minusorange said:
So the MSI cable is pretty pointless if it can come loose after you've plugged it in, unless you're looking at it everyday to make sure it's all the way in but then it doesn't solve any problem if you're having to check it constantly

Why would a cable move by itself, these burning cables be in earthquakes yo

Minusorange · 31 May 2023 at 23:23

Grim5 said:
Why would a cable move by itself, these burning cables be in earthquakes yo

Because as Gerard said

it doesn't seem to take much to rock it out of position even when its supposedly plugged in properly.

JediFragger · 31 May 2023 at 23:45

Minusorange said:
Because as Gerard said

Then don't rub its vRam

Doop! · 1 Jun 2023 at 08:49

It seems crazy to be anyone can defend the obvious bad design of the cable. How many different styles of cable exist in the world and how many of them can cause a fire if they're slightly out of place? It's not a matter of whether people are idiots or not, even Einstein can accidently knock something without realising, and that shouldn't risk burning your house down.

There's so few of those cables on the market now just go back to the drawing board and start again.

Brackish · 1 Jun 2023 at 09:06

Why are circular connections with a threaded ring not used? Yes the cable would be chunky but it's a solid locking mechanism.

Jay85 · 1 Jun 2023 at 10:59

Brackish said:
Why are circular connections with a threaded ring not used? Yes the cable would be chunky but it's a solid locking mechanism.

Reminds me of a certain old school psu that used circular connectors with a locking ring that was modular. Can't remember the name of them though, a few members on here used them back in the day.

oweneades · 1 Jun 2023 at 11:16

Jay85 said:
Reminds me of a certain old school psu that used circular connectors with a locking ring that was modular. Can't remember the name of them though, a few members on here used them back in the day.

Hiper Type R or something like that. Used to have one of those back in the day.

My guess for why we don't see such connectors anymore is both cost and space constraints (more than likely heavily weighted to the former).

That said I am unsure why the 12pin connector couldn't have been physically larger, thus allowing for a stronger retention clip / more obvious "its connected properly" feel.

My 4070FE has the little adaptor thing which I am using and beyond a very subtle "click" it didn't really give any sort of feedback that it is connected. Easy enough to visually check (at least with the FE cards given the connector is very visible) but arguably not something that should even be a thing in the first place.

Jay85 · 1 Jun 2023 at 12:01

oweneades said:
Hiper Type R or something like that. Used to have one of those back in the day.

My guess for why we don't see such connectors anymore is both cost and space constraints (more than likely heavily weighted to the former).

That said I am unsure why the 12pin connector couldn't have been physically larger, thus allowing for a stronger retention clip / more obvious "its connected properly" feel.

My 4070FE has the little adaptor thing which I am using and beyond a very subtle "click" it didn't really give any sort of feedback that it is connected. Easy enough to visually check (at least with the FE cards given the connector is very visible) but arguably not something that should even be a thing in the first place.

Thats the one! Remembering the younger me really wanting one back in the day, with the LED lighting just looked awesome.

Yeah i don't think anyone can argue that the connector could have been done better, its like the made it in a rush last minute to accommodate the design of the 4000 series. I do wonder if nvidia made this choice last minute and before they probably had a 3x8pin connector but decided to go with this tiny 12vhpwr with sense pins to save room. Even making it out of metal instead of plastic would have been a better idea.

Gerard · 1 Jun 2023 at 12:15

Doop! said:
It seems crazy to be anyone can defend the obvious bad design of the cable.

Because according to some, nvidia can do no wrong, they didn't design it, but they adopted it seemingly mainly for aesthetics.

z10m · 1 Jun 2023 at 12:30

Jay85 said:
Reminds me of a certain old school psu that used circular connectors with a locking ring that was modular. Can't remember the name of them though, a few members on here used them back in the day.

Tagan used that as well.

Jay85 · 1 Jun 2023 at 16:04

z10m said:
Tagan used that as well.

I think that was actually the one i was thinking of!

TrojanWhore · 1 Jun 2023 at 16:32

I also had one that used the same mechanism - a 'KingWin' Mach 1 if I remember correctly....I thought it was great until it failed and was spraying visible lightning all over my case, although somehow my abit IP35 PRO, q6600 and Radeon 5850 survived

(disclaimer - not my pic!)

Gerard · 1 Jun 2023 at 16:50

TrojanWhore said:
I also had one that used the same mechanism - a 'KingWin' Mach 1 if I remember correctly....I thought it was great until it failed and was spraying visible lightning all over my case, although somehow my abit IP35 PRO, q6600 and Radeon 5850 survived (disclaimer - not my pic!)

I vaguely remember those.

Brackish · 1 Jun 2023 at 17:47

Wow my memory is terrible, I remember them now having seen that picture, those connector's seem like a good idea today if they put the same connection on the GPU.

Raiden85 · 1 Jun 2023 at 19:18

I'd rather the industry put their heads together and standardised doing all power through the board like this. So much cleaner.

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SpudMaster · 1 Jun 2023 at 19:20

Grim5 said:
Why would a cable move by itself, these burning cables be in earthquakes yo

The way it's designed you just need to plug on the cable a bit when the connection is seated to unseat it partially at the sides as its only has a single central clip. This could easily happen when people are pulling their cables in all sorts of tight angles and turns to cable manage.
A single wider clip or two clips and each would would secure it better.

Brackish said:
Why are circular connections with a threaded ring not used? Yes the cable would be chunky but it's a solid locking mechanism.

I suppose something like a BNC connector or F connector could work but assume they aren't use a opted for a plug style connector for ease of use and less bulk.

HRL · 1 Jun 2023 at 21:34

Jay85 said:
Even making it out of metal instead of plastic would have been a better idea.

Health and safety probably says no to that TBH.

DeathStorm · 2 Jun 2023 at 01:30

oweneades said:
Hiper Type R or something like that. Used to have one of those back in the day.

My guess for why we don't see such connectors anymore is both cost and space constraints (more than likely heavily weighted to the former).

That said I am unsure why the 12pin connector couldn't have been physically larger, thus allowing for a stronger retention clip / more obvious "its connected properly" feel.

My 4070FE has the little adaptor thing which I am using and beyond a very subtle "click" it didn't really give any sort of feedback that it is connected. Easy enough to visually check (at least with the FE cards given the connector is very visible) but arguably not something that should even be a thing in the first place.

This was the part that got me, I just tried out one and despite having all the current information on the problems I was never confident it was properly locked in place beyond squinting to see if it was flush and hoping for the best. There's no tactile feedback, you can't hear it either and it's actually quite hard to fully insert even with the card outside of a machine.

It's really not hard to see why so many people got into trouble before these problems were well known, what an awful design.