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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Sgt_Major said:
You are wrong friend, you not thinking straight. "Selling well" and "selling enough" are totally different things...

You fail to see the key point here, at some point performance just does not matter anymore, if your cards are not affordable for 90% of your customers. That is a failed business model...Its already going to happen this generation, they projected massive profits, AI was only counting for some of that, the GPU division has UNDERPERFORMED by about 2 billion so far, what will they tell shareholders?. Their whole share price is based off of projected earnings, if they do not hit that, they do not justify their share price, people sell and share price tanks.

You need to add better economics into your thoughts about how markets work and pricing happens.
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Correct. All the stock guys joking about fomo overbuying the stock. Its tanked back since.
 
Hostile_18 said:
MSI cards have gone from the Nvidia site for the 4090/4080. Noticed the Suprim is out of stock most places as well. Wonder if something is going on behind the scenes?
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Possibly it didn't sell well enough to justify producing much of it so it might just trickle down slowly over time instead of big stock. It's expensive product, keeping it stocked is just asking for a big loss on their part.
 
Total number of cards on steam would not increase from cards being swapped around as the total number installed into a pc at a given time would remain the same
 
It makes me wonder how damaging it is for brands like MSI to see cards like rtx 4060 ti not selling and people are sticking to older models, unless they are popular in pre builds.
 
Grim5 said:
Total number of cards on steam would not increase from cards being swapped around as the total number installed into a pc at a given time would remain the same
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TBH you never really know with Steam stats, before anyone says it I'm not saying they're useless as something is better than nothing, but some of their percentage are just weird. E.g under all video cards the 4090 is used by 0.65% but if you look under DX12 capable cards the 4090 is being used by 0.72%.

e: It's only 0.07% but if Steam has something like 132m active users that's like 92-93 thousand more or less 4090.
 
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Morfinel said:
It makes me wonder how damaging it is for brands like MSI to see cards like rtx 4060 ti not selling and people are sticking to older models, unless they are popular in pre builds.
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Are MSI actually making a profit when they sell a 4000 series card ? Do they care if they sell any at all ? EVGA gave Nv the middle finger and left the market and if a manufacturer cannot make a profit on a product then why bother to make them.

Also regional variations come into play. MSi could be severly limiting stock to certain markets to focus on others. This may be down to differences in profitability or meaning they can limit resources needed for RMA and warranties to less regions.
 
Murphy said:
TBH you never really know with Steam stats, before anyone says it I'm not saying they're useless as something is better than nothing, but some of their percentage are just weird. E.g under all video cards the 4090 is used by 0.65% but if you look under DX12 capable cards the 4090 is being used by 0.72%.

e: It's only 0.07% but if Steam has something like 132m active users that's like 92-93 thousand more or less 4090.
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I mean that makes sense no? Lower total number of dx12 capable cards compared to all cards surveyed (which will include dx11 only cards), the total amount of 4090's therefore makes up a higher percentage of that group.
 
SS-89 said:
I mean that makes sense no? Lower total number of dx12 capable cards compared to all cards surveyed (which will include dx11 only cards), the total amount of 4090's therefore makes up a higher percentage of that group.
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Ah, there you go making perfect sense. :)

For some reason that just didn't enter my maths illiterate brain.
 
Sorry, fellow revolutionaries, I gave in and bought a 4090.

I just don't believe that NVIDIA is going to reduce prices by much. And now the 5000 series look like it's going to be delayed, well, I give up. Here, Jensen, have all my money. I hate you *hands over all hard-earned-cash in tears, then goes on to Steam to tell everyone they own potatoes* :cry:
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Sorry, fellow revolutionaries, I gave in and bought a 4090.

I just don't believe that NVIDIA is going to reduce prices by much. And now the 5000 series look like it's going to be delayed, well, I give up. Here, Jensen, have all my money. I hate you *hands over all hard-earned-cash in tears, then goes on to Steam to tell everyone they own potatoes* :cry:
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How much?
After I picked one up for £1350 then had to return to horrendous coil whine it leaves me not wanting to pay more then that again, but as you say prices really are not going to go down and I'm close to caving and just buying an fe as its the cheapest that will fit in my itx case. Come September when all the decent games start releasing I'll have no choice :mad:
 
86dan said:
How much?
After I picked one up for £1350 then had to return to horrendous coil whine it leaves me not wanting to pay more then that again, but as you say prices really are not going to go down and I'm close to caving and just buying an fe as its the cheapest that will fit in my itx case. Come September when all the decent games start releasing I'll have no choice :mad:
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Im hoping he was jesting (sarcasm) the way I read it! :cry:
 
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