I think originally the 4080 12gb was a red herring thrown in by Nvidia to distract from the real scam of the 4080 16gb seeing a +72% price rise while using a die that was -38% smaller.
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You can see 1080p and 1440p comparisons here.
Very little between the cpus at 1440p, so I imagine even less at 4k.
It had 2 die shrinks in one go. -40% is par for the course. The problem was the price. $1200 was effectively a 50% increase on real terms* release price for barely over 50% performance improvement. 50% is a _huge_ increase in generational performance. One of the biggest ever. But its still 2 years with no improvement on price/performance.
*True 3080 release price was $800 as after manufacturers filled their mandatory £700 quotas they refused to honor any pre-orders below that point. Didn't Gibbo say they had about 30 a pop from each at RRP and then they never had a 3080 on sale at RRP on this site again until July/Aug 2022?
lol what an absolute unit
Following on from this^ here’s my quick review of the Aorus Master 4090!
Sadly, it’s already gone back because of a single noisy fan
Very irritating as I was otherwise pleased with the card!Performance was as expected, 4090 beast mode engaged. It ran very cool. There are some known niggles with these cards that I resolved:
- coil whine: this was there but it was at an acceptable level and I could have kept the card with it. I wouldn’t have noticed with stock fan speeds but going for my ‘silent mode’ (see below) I could hear the low rumbling with sound muted. I seriously doubt that any of these cards are 100% silent tbh.
- RGB: people say that deactivating this is a nightmare but it worked first time for me. I downloaded the gigabyte software, turned it off… easy. No need for the gigabyte software to run at startup once I had made the change.
- fan speed: this was actually pretty annoying…. the fans don’t go any lower than 1500rpm at stock which kicks in from 50 degrees, so it was silent or noisy. If you try and set a standard fan curve in afterburner, the fans will constantly stop-start and the fans don’t like running as low speeds. Very annoying. In the end I had to use the fan control software and figure out the minimum speed that each fan would run at to avoid the stop-starting. To be clear, two of the three fans were one PWM setting and the other was on another, so I had to configure two different fan speeds. Eventually, I had the fans running at a smoother 700rpm which was barely audible. The GPU was hitting around 70 degrees after some gaming which is maybe a little high but I’d be comfy with it for that sweet silence.
Yeah, if it didn’t have that one single annoying rattling fan, I’d have kept the card. I could tell it was that specific fan as the other two were dead quiet, and touching the fan gently to slow it made it go away. I wasn’t happy with dropping nearly £2k on something with such an annoying fault.
So yeah, good card, hopefully others won’t have such an annoying time as me trying to find one that is free from defects
Why are there never any decent deals on 4080's, the only one I seen sub £1000 was on ocuk. Seen deals all around for 4070/ti and 4090 but the 4080 just wont budge in price, does not seem to be selling well either.
I am struggling to hype myself up to spend over £1000 for something that cant even seem to run new games at 4k 60 native
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/lords-of-the-fallen-dlss-3-october-13/
I am struggling to hype myself up to spend over £1000 for something that cant even seem to run new games at 4k 60 native
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/lords-of-the-fallen-dlss-3-october-13/
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You tend to find that once a card has a bad reputation, it stays with that way no matter what happens.
I think the 4080's are pretty good value now (well, nothing like as bad as they were!), but people are probably still avoiding them.
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At £999 I would buy as I don't think its a terrible price, wish I didn't return the one I bought from here now, should have just put up with the fans.
A year after the 4080 and 4090 were released, and not much of a drop.
CPUs plummet, and so does most tech. But GPUs hold stubbornly high. It's a little wierd, given you'd have thought they would want to sell to more people over time.
Most tech is like half price a year after launch.
CPUs plummet, and so does most tech. But GPUs hold stubbornly high. It's a little wierd, given you'd have thought they would want to sell to more people over time.
Most tech is like half price a year after launch.
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Well a monopoly can do that.. As the main competitor is taking a back seat and just pricing high too and doesn't care to compete and even stated next generation they won't be competing in the high end .. so here we are..
The main factor in pricing of GFX cards is the $ exchange rate. So when the US experiences high inflation, or increases in wages, then the markets anticipate higher interest rates in the US.
This makes the $ rise against other currencies making GFX cards more expensive here.
The opposite applies if it looks like interest rates will rise in the UK, or if it looks like interest rates in the US will fall.
This operates with a bit of a lag, as OUK & other shops buy stock/ make deals at a certain exchange rate, then gradually sell through that stock.
Then they start selling stock that they bought later at a higher or lower price, reflecting the exchange rate when they bought it.
It's really not much more complicated than that , as far as I can see. A few months ago GFX card prices in the UK were decent; now they're becoming very un-appealing again.
When interest rate expectations make the £ rise against the dollar again at some point then a few weeks later prices will start improving.
The 4080 has looked poor value against it's competitors through much of these ups & downs - I think that's unlikely to change until it's replaced by a refresh - if then.
So you can get a 4080 at a more appealing price when exchange rates change for the better, although the 4090 & 7900xtx will also look proportionally more appealing, still leaving the 4080 looking mediocre in value against competitors.
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Shops are on tight margins with GPUs, unless they get support from AIBs to reduce prices, they don't drop much.
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Well I picked up a Used very good Auros Master 4090 for under £1300. A little coil whine and the fans are interesting... But is it worth trying a Gigabyte Gaming with a guaranteed warranty for 4 years and the chance of no coil whine but a cost of £300 more? Hmmmm
50% is just an average when taken over the previous 3 generations, 1080 was 50% the 3080 was 70% the only one that didn’t get at least 50% was the 2080 which was 40%
Prices went up when they realised it was in big demand, had cards like the 4070 seen demand on the scale of the 3080 then they would be selling for £700 now.
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As far as I can gather, the Gaming OC has a slightly lower power delivery spec and is a smaller card. But in reality the performance will be the effectively the same.
Did you see my post above re: the Aorus master fans? Try doing what I did if you’re having issues (use ‘fan control’ to identify the lowest speed the fans will run at to avoid ‘stop-starting’).
I’ve just ordered a gaming OC and if this card isn’t faultless then I think I’m giving up with the 4090s. Too much faff to just buy something that should work without fault.
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£1300 with zero warranty, that is not smart in my opinion.
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I see prices going up on just about everything. At this rate I may just throw in the towel by Xmas.
Same as me, I went through so many 4090's and they all had problems that were not acceptable for the price being paid, the 4080's are not looking much better from the select few I have had too.
Also with the gigabyte fans I did read if you turn off the rgb control it apparently stops and the fan issues, high rpm at lowest setting and revving issues.
Getting to that point, incredible how there's always 'reasons' for prices to instantly shoot up, but somehow take an age to drop down.
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It’s only ever GPUs that seem to go up though, just bought a 1tb gen 4 m.2 for £40 and a couple of years ago these were like £150.