Soldato
From what I understand yes.
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From what I understand yes.
Possibly removed to stop china then, maybe there's a loophole or some sort of drop shipping going on that they are trying to curb?
Since the 1 per customer restriction seems to have been removed.
US export restrictions take a uniquely global view, so even if you are exporting from the UK or wherever if you are shipping products of US origin then in their view the US restrictions apply.
If it's found that prohibited products are getting to a restricted country or person they will go all the way back through the chain punishing everyone, at bare minimum fines for any profit that was made in good faith, and the prospect of extradition, unlimited fines, and jail for willful breaches of export controls.
If the ps5 pro launches during the holidays 2024 Nvidia will have to counter it with a well priced product.
Historically they've blown away every console launch, we've got some of the most legendary GPUs during such times.
That's the one I'm waiting for even with the ps5 disk version with MW3 Bundle is £400 at the moment I don't see the point in getting the current PS5's and had one on launch but it got bricked by sony's update firmware at the time and went back and they couldn't replace it as no stock.. was kinda happy they refunded at the time as it wasn't a massive jump from PS4 pro at the time and now a lot of games are ending up at 30fps so rather wait for the PS5 PRO if it ever comes out and if not well PS6 and currently most of the exclusives are ending up on PC anyways.
Soldato
2 different markets, The only thing we're getting in 2024 are the Supers and maybe, BIG maybe... the 4090 Ti or Titan RTX as a new super halo product.
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That's just not likely. Look how many people here are playing with GPUs weaker than a base ps5, and I've said to multiple people they should switch to console but they don't want to
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You're overestimating the ps5s capabilities. You would have to struggle to find someone on this forum with a weaker GPU which is RTX 2070 (non super) and below.
Probably because GPUs especially at the low end are rubbish and advance at a snails pace compared to high end.
GTX 1080ti from 2017> 4090 is 240%
GTX 1060 from 2016 > 4060 is 118%
You are over estimating how many enthusiast are on these forums.
The amount of people that obtain high end cards remain the same, the number doesn't increase as it's the same people that upgrade to better GPUs but consoles earn new owners and people that jump to new ones in way bigger numbers.
If you want to be technical then the majority of the console base is still on PS4 and Nintendo switch. Additionally the console base has stagnated completely with the PS2 still the most sold console ever even if gaming has grown exponentially since the PS2 days. PSN userbase has also stagnated with zero growth from last gen, it's just the same PS4 users upgrading to PS5 with a good portion of them that are now older switching to PC gaming. Sony knows this and they're porting their games to PC and all their GAAS in the future will be day one on PC too.
The Xbox hardware brand is in tatters and will be certainly scraped in the near future. Nintendo will soon be facing fierce competition from the likes of Steam deck and myriad of clones but Nintendo always seems to manage to innovate. However, I expect some insane draconian DRM from Nintendo in the future to stop emulators. There is simply no growth to be found in the console space apart from milking their users with microtransactions and subscriptions.
Meanwhile PC gaming is booming along with mobile gaming with Steam breaking growth records year after year. Nvidia knows all this and has adjusted it's prices to meet the demand but when a new console comes out they still have to respond. I like this forum a lot but most users are completely out of touch with what's happening in the market and they would rather spread utter nonsense about PC gaming dying just to stick it to the Leather Jacket man.
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Eh you realise that PS5 is like over 30 million units and Xbox series is over 20 million? That's more people than that owns a 3060 and over.
I thought your argument was more people own GPUs better then consoles but the steam deck is not that.
PC gaming does well but not in the markets you are thinking about.
LOL
Valorant
WoW
DOTA
Run the show for PC gaming and people around the world don't see the need to go beyond a 1060.
Caporegime
The PS5 has a dGPU around the level of an RX6600XT/RX6700 non-XT and the XBox Series X around the level of an RX6700XT/RTX3060TI. The consoles are now 3 years old.If anything the current consoles are more CPU limited by their Zen2 based CPUs with limited L3 cache,low clockspeeds and use of GDDR6. DF showed this with their own tests.
But the dGPUs are comfortably faster than an RTX3060,which if you included the laptop one is nearly 10% of the Steam userbase. The Steam userbase is 120 million users IIRC.
Also the RTX3000/RX6000 series were launched when the last consoles were launched, and before the pandemic/mining messed stuff up we had such Gems as the RTX3060TI,RX6800 and RTX3080. So,Nvidia and AMD definitely will release faster mainstream hardware if new consoles are released.
The PS5 PRO looks to be closer to RX6800XT/RX7800XT level. In the current top 20 on Steam the two fastest cards are the RTX4070/RTX3080. This seems OK until you realise the fastest mainstream cards under £400 are the RTX4060/RTX4060TI which are barely an improvement over what we had before. Considering the consoles are 2020 tech at best,its kind of sad how little progress there has been under £500.
Hopefully the Super release will push the RTX4070/RX7800XT to around £400~£450,which is what we should have gotten at launch. This means the RTX4060TI 16GB/RX7700XT get pushed closer to £300~£350.
But the dGPUs are comfortably faster than an RTX3060,which if you included the laptop one is nearly 10% of the Steam userbase. The Steam userbase is 120 million users IIRC.
Also the RTX3000/RX6000 series were launched when the last consoles were launched, and before the pandemic/mining messed stuff up we had such Gems as the RTX3060TI,RX6800 and RTX3080. So,Nvidia and AMD definitely will release faster mainstream hardware if new consoles are released.
The PS5 PRO looks to be closer to RX6800XT/RX7800XT level. In the current top 20 on Steam the two fastest cards are the RTX4070/RTX3080. This seems OK until you realise the fastest mainstream cards under £400 are the RTX4060/RTX4060TI which are barely an improvement over what we had before. Considering the consoles are 2020 tech at best,its kind of sad how little progress there has been under £500.
Hopefully the Super release will push the RTX4070/RX7800XT to around £400~£450,which is what we should have gotten at launch. This means the RTX4060TI 16GB/RX7700XT get pushed closer to £300~£350.
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Thing is, so few people on these forums whom are big on PC gaming, and I mostly game on PC as well, refuse to acknowledge the few big pillars of PC gaming as its something non of them play.
More to this, this is the reason why the steam survey is actually bad metric to even use, the biggest games in sheer numbers of people playing aren't on steam.
LOL, Valorant and WOW are not on steam, they run on their own launchers and are massive, the playerbase for those and the income generated blows anything on Steam out of the water. ( id argue Valorant has a higher playerbase and active one at that then CS:go and LOL has always had a huge edge in numbers vs DOTA )
If they were ever included on steam and pulled the hardware results, its gonna skew laptops and lower end hardware even higher representation, hardware thats below the specs of the PS5.
Soldato
Nailed it !
I play WoW and FFXIV, Both guilds I'm in, In both games are filled to the brim with people on PC and the high majority have maybe a 970, 1070, 2070 at a stretch, They care if the game runs, Not at all about the latest multi thousand £$€ shiny.
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How true do we think the rumoured specs for the Super range posted at Videocardz will be?
I know you can't simply take the CUDA core difference but the only one that looks really significant is the 4070 > 4070 Super (basically looks like the 4070 that we should have got).
What a mess though; the 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti Super.
I know you can't simply take the CUDA core difference but the only one that looks really significant is the 4070 > 4070 Super (basically looks like the 4070 that we should have got).
What a mess though; the 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti Super.
4070ti super ftw i reckon, or if they use the 102 for 4080super with 320bit bus and 20GB memory (like a 4080ti).
4080super with just the full die is boring - unless they pair it with some faster memory
And cost £799 which is too much for what it is sadly. £599 would be the correct price.