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I’m always conflicted and end up yo-yo’ing between console and PC.

I had a high end pc with 4090 suprim, z790 apex, 13900k (sold on these forums) that I loved the performance of, being able to play most games at over 100fps at 4k is something special. But I got fed up of frametime stutter and tweaking. I also spent more time looking at Rivatuner than the actual game lol.

I love the convenience and ease of use of a console. Whilst pc’s are easier than they’ve ever been it’s still not as easy as a console. I press the button on the controller to power on and I’m in a game within 10 seconds.

On PC it takes longer than that just for the launcher to load. Then my ocd would have me checking for windows updates, quick check for driver updates, etc.

Also when playing on PC I’d always have to do a trial run to see my temps and frame times and see if anything needs adjusting. On console I have no choices other than “graphics or performance” so just get on with it!

But now that I’ve got a PS5 and Series X I’m getting fed up of the low res textures and low framerates.

I booted Starfield up and honestly it looks like a slideshow. It feels unplayable.

So moral of my irrelevant story is I’m now waiting for a decent 4090 card to come back into stock or hopefully founders edition to re-appear……

My dream would be to have an overpowered console at a grand so that I can have the best of both worlds.
 
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I’m always conflicted and end up yo-yo’ing between console and PC.

I had a high end pc with 4090 suprim, z790 apex, 13900k (sold on these forums) that I loved the performance of, being able to play most games at over 100fps at 4k is something special. But I got fed up of frametime stutter and tweaking. I also spent more time looking at Rivatuner than the actual game lol.

I love the convenience and ease of use of a console. Whilst pc’s are easier than they’ve ever been it’s still not as easy as a console. I press the button on the controller to power on and I’m in a game within 10 seconds.

On PC it takes longer than that just for the launcher to load. Then my ocd would have me checking for windows updates, quick check for driver updates, etc.

Also when playing on PC I’d always have to do a trial run to see my temps and frame times and see if anything needs adjusting. On console I have no choices other than “graphics or performance” so just get on with it!

But now that I’ve got a PS5 and Series X I’m getting fed up of the low res textures and low framerates.

I booted Starfield up and honestly it looks like a slideshow. It feels unplayable.

So moral of my irrelevant story is I’m now waiting for a decent 4090 card to come back into stock or hopefully founders edition to re-appear……

My dream would be to have an overpowered console at a grand so that I can have the best of both worlds.


That's the one advantage console will always have, just pick up and play.

I've had an issue booting Forza Horizon 5 on my current PC

My Witcher 3 save glitched and freezes anytime I load it (5 hours into the campaign)

and I have some weird issue with Horizon Zero Dawn not booting into the menu's (probably have to do a full reinstall)

all others game have worked amazing (30+) but I'm almost certain I wouldn't have had any of the above issues on a Series X or PS5... not the end of the world situations, but ones I shouldn't be experiencing on high end hardware.

I've now got used to gaming at 100+fps in almost every game at max settings and in ultra wide, I have no reason to go back to console pretty much ever. And I've got emulators for PS2/PS3/Switch etc so it's best of all worlds scenario at this point, especially if you're subbed to gamepass on your pc.
 
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With that classic console quality no doubt
Way to miss the point.

I was referring to PC/Console cost entry to AAA gaming...
PS5, MW3, controller for £400, with that brand spanking new tech smell.
Console is dominating AAA gaming by a huge margin, PC can't touch £400 plug and play console like for like on PC.

Anyone point me to a new prebuilt PC with PS5 controller running MW3@4K for <£460, you plug in power and Hdmi, spin up the PS5 let it do it's thing and you are straight in, no faffing about with configuring OS/drivers etc?
Or a 2070 super for £150, stick it to any PC with Ryzen 2 and above. You cannot beat PC gaming even if you're on a tight budget if you're slightly savvy.

If you're slightly savvy, that 2070's 8Gb is already struggling@1080p never mind higher.:(
 
Way to miss the point.

I was referring to PC/Console cost entry to AAA gaming...

Console is dominating AAA gaming by a huge margin, PC can't touch £400 plug and play console like for like on PC.

Anyone point me to a new prebuilt PC with PS5 controller running MW3@4K for <£460, you plug in power and Hdmi, spin up the PS5 let it do it's thing and you are straight in, no faffing about with configuring OS/drivers etc?


Nvidia recently announced it had sold 100 million RTX GPUs. How many PS5s have been sold? Check out most publisher's financials to see their PC portfolio's revenues growing faster than any other, some like Capcom have even switched from console to making their main target platform the PC
 
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Nvidia recently announced it had sold 100 million RTX GPUs. How many PS5s have been sold? Check out most publisher's financials to see their PC portfolio's revenues growing faster than any other, some like Capcom have even switched from console to making their main target platform the PC

While I don't think I will ever own a console again... how many of those RTX GPU's went to mining groups and companies ? I'd wager a silly huge amount because remember for nearly a whole year Nvidia were selling pallet fulls of RTX GPU's to mining operations all over Asia, Europe and the US.
 
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Nvidia recently announced it had sold 100 million RTX GPUs. How many PS5s have been sold? Check out most publisher's financials to see their PC portfolio's revenues growing faster than any other, some like Capcom have even switched from console to making their main target platform the PC
While I don't think I will ever own a console again... how many of those RTX GPU's went to mining groups and companies ? I'd wager a silly huge amount because remember for nearly a whole year Nvidia were selling pallet fulls of RTX GPU's to mining operations all over Asia, Europe and the US.
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Yeah you've got PT CP/AW2 it's the best of the best gaming gfx money can buy on Nv funded flagship titles for 4K heaven for the low low price pre-built £3,299.99 here at oc'ers.

Which next to no one can afford, leaving cost to market like for like, AAA console game sales are smashing PC AAA game sales and that's why lead AAA platform isn't PC.
 
Yeah you've got PT CP/AW2 it's the best of the best gaming gfx money can buy on Nv funded flagship titles for 4K heaven for the low low price pre-built £3,299.99 here at oc'ers.

Which next to no one can afford, leaving cost to market like for like, AAA console game sales are smashing PC AAA game sales and that's why lead AAA platform isn't PC.

Nailed it on the head, PC gaming at a decent level without making massive sacrifices in visual quality is becoming a hobby for people with a lot of disposable cash. My PC gaming social circle right now is a fraction of what it was around 2010 and price going up and up and up is the main culprit.

More and more people simply don't see a big enough difference between a PS5 on a 4K OLED and a PC on a 4K OLED to warrant spending thousands more, We do on here as we're all very "special" but your average person who just wants to sit on a couch doesn't give two sparkly turd muffins about physically correct reflections and lighting.
 
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Nvidia recently announced it had sold 100 million RTX GPUs. How many PS5s have been sold? Check out most publisher's financials to see their PC portfolio's revenues growing faster than any other, some like Capcom have even switched from console to making their main target platform the PC
Are you convinced all those sales are normal gamers? The rtx longer up starts from the 2000 series and we recall what happened not that long ago.

I just want to go on a slight tangent, there was a special Gundam edition on a 3080 that was released that I really wanted but guess where that went.
 
That's the one advantage console will always have, just pick up and play.
That's not been the case in years. In my experience Steam is better at just pick up and play. Everything updates in the background while you are doing other things. While consoles only update when you turn on so you often have to wait ages before you can play. Last time I switched on a console it took two hours of updates before I could get into game. Hardly pick up and play.
 
That's not been the case in years. In my experience Steam is better at just pick up and play. Everything updates in the background while you are doing other things. While consoles only update when you turn on so you often have to wait ages before you can play. Last time I switched on a console it took two hours of updates before I could get into game. Hardly pick up and play.
That's not been the case for years, my PS5 (and PS4 before that) download updates every night whilst in "rest mode".
 
That's not been the case for years, my PS5 (and PS4 before that) download updates every night whilst in "rest mode".
I was not aware of that. 2 or 3 years ago a relative was showing me a console game they turned it on, first the OS insisted on updating automatically and rebooting then the game decided it needed a large 1GB+ update before it would even run. There was multiple updates and reboots hardly plug and play. Even if it does update over night now that's no advantage over Steam on a PC. We click the game and play. No waiting as everything updates in the background on PC. I stand by in saying its not an advantaged consoles have anymore. Long gone are the days of manually seeking out the latest patch, manually downloading it then manually applying it on PC.
 
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I've now got used to gaming at 100+fps in almost every game at max settings and in ultra wide, I have no reason to go back to console pretty much ever. And I've got emulators for PS2/PS3/Switch etc so it's best of all worlds scenario at this point, especially if you're subbed to gamepass on your pc
Having both PC and console offers the best of both worlds, currently looking forward to FF rebirth in a couple of months while PC only players will probably be waiting 2 years for a unoptimised stutter fest.
Nvidia recently announced it had sold 100 million RTX GPUs. How many PS5s have been sold? Check out most publisher's financials to see their PC portfolio's revenues growing faster than any other, some like Capcom have even switched from console to making their main target platform the PC
Over 46m PS5s and 25m Xbox X/S but let’s not forget that that RTX cards arrived in September 2018 while PS5/Xbox didn’t arrive till Nov 2020, the consoles would have all gone to gamers while RTX GPUs would be split between gamers, miners and those buying for work purposes.
 
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Having both PC and console offers the best of both worlds, currently looking forward to FF rebirth in a couple of months while PC only players will probably be waiting 2 years for a unoptimised stutter fest.

Over 46m PS5s and 25m Xbox X/S but let’s not forget that that RTX cards arrived in September 2018 while PS5/Xbox didn’t arrive till Nov 2020, the consoles would have all gone to gamers while RTX GPUs would be split between gamers, miners and those buying for work purposes.
Steam has 171m monthly active users and 35m concurrent users on a Sunday. The console numbers you quote are insignificant. MS has managed to sell 25m Xbox series consoles total while Steam has 35m+ PC gamers online at the same time on a Sunday. Truly pathetic numbers for consoles while gaming keeps on growing. Add to that huge pc games that are not on steam like League of legends, Valorant, Fortnite, WOW etc and you end up with an enormous userbase.

Some RTX cards went to miners temporarily but ended up to gamers hands through the second hand market, hence the dip on new GPU sales volume which is now picking back up. I saw the latest numbers yesterday and PS5 is selling 10% more than PS4 while Xbox series 10% less than Xbox one. Total stagnation for the console market while Steam will break another record this holiday season.

Expecting cheaper GPUs while demand is only growing is completely delusional. Every kid watches their favourite TwitchTV streamer and their PC gaming rig and that's all they want eventually. Nobody wants cheap garbage anymore and we see that with phones, tablets, TVs etc.

I'm very active on a huge TV and home cinema forum and all I see is people connecting their gaming rigs to TVs. Nobody wants to spend their hard earned on an OLED or mini led and connect it to a PS5 that will drop to 720p in latest games.
 
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Steam has 171m monthly active users and 35m concurrent users on a Sunday. The console numbers you quote are insignificant. MS has managed to sell 25m Xbox series consoles total while Steam has 35m+ PC gamers online at the same time on a Sunday. Truly pathetic numbers for consoles while gaming keeps on growing. Add to that huge pc games that are not on steam like League of legends, Valorant, Fortnite, WOW etc and you end up with an enormous userbase.

Some RTX cards went to miners temporarily but ended up to gamers hands through the second hand market, hence the dip on new GPU sales volume which is now picking back up. I saw the latest numbers yesterday and PS5 is selling 10% more than PS4 while Xbox series 10% less than Xbox one. Total stagnation for the console market while Steam will break another record this holiday season.

Expecting cheaper GPUs while demand is only growing is completely delusional. Every kid watches their favourite TwitchTV streamer and their PC gaming rig and that's all they want eventually. Nobody wants cheap garbage anymore and we see that with phones, tablets, TVs etc.

I'm very active on a huge TV and home cinema forum and all I see is people connecting their gaming rigs to TVs. Nobody wants to spend their hard earned on an OLED or mini led and connect it to a PS5 that will drop to 720p in latest games.

Probably why so many kids are delusional these days, they expect the best and expect to get the best until reality hits when they get older.
 
Expecting cheaper GPUs while demand is only growing is completely delusional. Every kid watches their favourite TwitchTV streamer and their PC gaming rig and that's all they want eventually. Nobody wants cheap garbage anymore and we see that with phones, tablets, TVs etc.
Is demand actually growing though?

The 4080 doesn't appear to be selling as well as Nvidia expected, for instance.

Also, if they only want people who have no equipment at all to upgrade, then offering meaninglessness improvements at certain price points makes sense, but it's a silly strategy for getting people who already have working hardware to upgrade.
 
Nailed it on the head, PC gaming at a decent level without making massive sacrifices in visual quality is becoming a hobby for people with a lot of disposable cash. My PC gaming social circle right now is a fraction of what it was around 2010 and price going up and up and up is the main culprit.

More and more people simply don't see a big enough difference between a PS5 on a 4K OLED and a PC on a 4K OLED to warrant spending thousands more, We do on here as we're all very "special" but your average person who just wants to sit on a couch doesn't give two sparkly turd muffins about physically correct reflections and lighting.
Exactly this, skyrocketing cost to entry on used PC parts alone is now higher than console nevermind buying new PC parts.

Lead platform in game Dev is console, there's a handful of AAA games that get the NV midas touch on PC but we all know that performance penalty costs thousands.

Yes there's X millions running less demanding games on lower spec GPUs/Pcs, but there's way more X millions playing AAA titles on console.
 
Expecting cheaper GPUs while demand is only growing is completely delusional
Demand isn't growing though and was reported that GPU sales are at there lowest point for 20 years, Nvidia's gaming revenue is less than half of what it was a couple of years ago and thats with most the cards costing over double the MSRP from the previous gen when you look at the die sizes used. take a 4080 for example with an MSRP of $1200 while using a smaller die than a 3060ti and 16gb VRAM now costing less than 8gb did in 2021, Nvidia would have sold a 3060ti die and VRAM to board partners for less than $400 but you can bet that board partners are now paying significantly more for the 4080 die and VRAM, probably closer to $900.
 
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