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NVIDIA Details GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Cooler & PCB Design, new Power Spike Management

NVIDIA detailed the design of its GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition graphics card in a briefing with us today. While the new Founders Edition looks very similar to the RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition, NVIDIA says it has made several changes to its design. The metal outer frame now comes with a...
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Does this mean the FE has as good VRM power delivery and design as any AIB might have? Seems 600watt capacity with 3x 8 pin pcie adapter in the box?
 
Greebo said:
Even the base AIB cards seem to have 4 x 8 pin pcie connectors anyway. Perhaps we will see a high end Asus card with 5 connectors???
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I thought the lower tier cards / FE come with the 3 x 8 adapter which will supply around 500w ( 450w via cable, 50w via pci slot ) although i could be wrong but swear I heard the fe comes with the 3x8 rather than 4 x 8 :confused:
 
Greebo said:
Bandwidth is the same in both cards though isn't it?
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FTFY. :)

To the onboard memory, yes. But performance is about way more than more Mhz = more better or bandwidth to and from memory. There's also what you do with your transistors, the 40 series doubles the number of media-encoding engines for example so if while that increases performance for streamers and video editors it don't do much for your average Jo gamer, the same with ray tracing. They've thrown tons of hardware at getting that to work in 'real' time and working around the problems it causes but how many people actually benefit from that, i do wonder how much faster the 40 series would be if they dumped all the RT, AI, Deep learning stuff and just spent that silicon budget on making rasterisation faster / more capable.

Are people really using RT and all the gubbins that come with it to make it viable?
 
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NVIDIA Details GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Cooler & PCB Design, new Power Spike Management

NVIDIA detailed the design of its GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition graphics card in a briefing with us today. While the new Founders Edition looks very similar to the RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition, NVIDIA says it has made several changes to its design. The metal outer frame now comes with a...
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Does this mean the FE has as good VRM power delivery and design as any AIB might have? Seems 600watt capacity with 3x 8 pin pcie adapter in the box?
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600w wont be possible with the adapter but should work with atx 3.0 psus, assuming nvidia has made the 12vhpwr according to specs.. you need the 4 sense pins connected to the psu for it to work in 600W (+pci-e power) mode otherwise it should default to 450w (+pci-e power) for older psus with adapters

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I dont understand 1 thing - taking pure increase in raster power(around 1.5x more shaders and 1.5x higher clocks vs 3090ti), 4090 should be around 100%-125% faster than 3090ti. While even Nv shows somewhere between 70-50% for raster-only games.

Anybody care to guess why 4090 seems to be underperforming?
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the rops have been under provisioned for a while now, and nvidia is betting their money on dlss like methods for future gans, its risky becasue the current crop of reviewers are going to pan the product because they are stuck in the past
 
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TNA said:
One day we will be using CUDA cores and machine learning to simulate that guy actually saying it in English and doing the laugh after. That’s going to be hilarious
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Jay-G25 said:
How are people seeing prices on the overclockers shop page , all I see is coming soon and have checked on pc , laptop and phone :cry:
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I was all set for the zotac 4090 but not paying £1729.
 
I think I'll wait to see what AMD has to offer in November, if it's not good or too pricey I might just sell off my Sapphire 6800XT and pick up a 3090.
 
brostradamus said:
600w wont be possible with the adapter but should work with atx 3.0 psus, assuming nvidia has made the 12vhpwr according to specs.. you need the 4 sense pins connected to the psu for it to work in 600W (+pci-e power) mode otherwise it should default to 450w (+pci-e power) for older psus with adapters
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Is that because the card won’t draw the power without the 4 sense pins connected to an atx3.0 psu though?

Because if the adapters don’t use all the sense pins (pins 4 and 6) on the 8pin pcie then the cards can draw more than the 150w per connector without the psu knowing.
Pretty sure the 3090ti adapter is like this as people have stripped them down to make custom cables such as this:

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mrk said:
Enjoy your ironing boards, punks!


Also RGB anti sag poles? :cry:
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I ignored everything to do with the 3090ti. Was there any heating issue that happened with the 3090ti? It seems that all the coolers have gotten bigger but the TDP of the 4090 is the same as the 3090ti.

Edit: Just got to the dark obelisk part :cry:
 
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How are people seeing prices on the overclockers shop page , all I see is coming soon and have checked on pc , laptop and phone :cry:
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There is no official pricing on our website, people are purely speculating from the dummy place holder pricing we have, which unfortunately has no accuracy whatsoever.

NVIDIA MSRP is £1679 we shall try to hit this, but as of this morning it now looks like only one partner will do so. Some of the pricing I've had this morning is a bit eye watering.

In short you will see a repeat of 3080 launch, a generic base SKU at MSRP for a very limited quantity which no doubt sells outs in seconds.
Then OC versions for more money and then super duper OC versions for even more money.

No one single card has accurate pricing yet but it is fair to say the rough ball park will be £1800-£2100ish but of course until October the 12th is actually upon us both NVIDIA and its partners can make changes to the final pricing they launch at irrelevant of what we have paid for stock currently landed.

So anyone trying to delve into OcUK website code to reveal prices, bear in mind these prices are dummy prices and are essentially a good guess by myself and expect to see them move several times over next couple of weeks both up and down. Nothing is final until 2pm on October 12th is upon us.
 
von Humboldt said:
I may have picked a terrible time to return to PC gaming. :o
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Look at the MM and The Bay. Some pretty good gaming PCs that will run all today's games - and those coming out for the next 7+ years (remember, new games target XBOX Series and PS5) - for a third of the price of buying shiny new stuff you don't need.
 
Even with the silly prices I was toying with the idea of getting one, but seeing the size on the things has really put me off!

I'll need a new case and PSU if I buy one of these things. :cry::cry::cry:
 
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