NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Murphy]

Odd question, of course depends on the functional value of the 25% of transistors. Most transistors have a very small activation time but are critically import for the functionality of the GPU.

I'd thought I'd covered that in the part where i said "25% of the transistors only get used 5%". If a transistor is critically import for the *functionality of the GPU then it's used every time the GPU is used because without that the GPU wouldn't function.

*Not sure what you're classing as functionality because that's a pretty wide remit.

 

[Twinz]

Next-gen money should outperform last gen-money, otherwise the market is unsustainable. (Or stagnate at best)

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

This is why AMD will be silly if they try to match Nvidias pricing as all it will do is help nvidia sell off the 3000 series then when nvidia cut 4000 prices it will mean AMD have to do the same and AMD will have lost the initiative and likely even more marketshare.

Good point, AMD pricing high just helps Nvidia sell their excess stock. There are significant reasons why it makes no sense for AMD to price high. I think Nvidia knows it as well. There is a reason why the "4080's" aren't due for release till sometime in November, nearly 2 months after announcement.

 

[DarkFulgore]

Good point, AMD pricing high just helps Nvidia sell their excess stock. There are significant reasons why it makes no sense for AMD to price high. I think Nvidia knows it as well. There is a reason why the "4080's" aren't due for release till sometime in November, nearly 2 months after announcement.

Yeah, they priced the 4090 the same as always (mostly, Europe got hit bad due to currency). The 4090 was always going to be aimed at the folks with more money than reason.
However, they priced the 4080's so bad to ship 30's over the next month and left them far enough out to see what AMD do with their announcements. If AMD come out swinging, then Nvidia will be force to lower prices of the faux 80 and 16gb 80 to compete for those that want new hardware.
That being said, you can still get a 3090 for the cheaper than 4080. So unless someone really wants DLSS3 and higher ray tracing. I really don't see the appeal.

 

[D.P.]

I'd thought I'd covered that in the part where i said "25% of the transistors only get used 5%". If a transistor is critically import for the *functionality of the GPU then it's used every time the GPU is used because without that the GPU wouldn't function.

*Not sure what you're classing as functionality because that's a pretty wide remit.

And as i said, there are many transistors that will only be used 5% of the time etc so i don't see the relevance. E.f. in a 2 hour gaming session large parts of the die will only be used very rarely but if that logic wasn't there you couldn't game.

 

[Murphy]

Because there's a big difference between a transistor only being used 5% of the time and a GPU not functioning if it wasn't there and a transistor that's only being used 5% of the time but wouldn't effect the functioning of the GPU.

I had thought something like that didn't need pointing out but here we are.

E.g Hardware video decode isn't necessary to make a GPU function, it's a nice to have and (afaik) doesn't take up much space or cost much from a logic block perspective.

 

[aoaaron]

Next-gen money should outperform last gen-money, otherwise the market is unsustainable. (Or stagnate at best)

People need to stop chasing at some point like mindless children with unlimited bank accounts for prices to stabilise.

The fact sadly is that we've had two back to back generations of insane sales re: GPUs from both NVDA and AMD and the market dictates the price.

A generation where the NVIDIA and AMD GPUs don't fly off the shelves will surely normalise pricing. Its started with the recent 30 series slump but if people mindlessly decide to hand NVIDIA cash when they can't see the value in it, then we're defeated

The 30 series are absolutely powerful, brilliant cards which most people 1080p/1440p/21:9/32:9 and 4K/60 users will surely not need much more of. They can do DLSS 2.0, gsync etc.

 

[aoaaron]

Yeah, they priced the 4090 the same as always (mostly, Europe got hit bad due to currency). The 4090 was always going to be aimed at the folks with more money than reason.
However, they priced the 4080's so bad to ship 30's over the next month and left them far enough out to see what AMD do with their announcements. If AMD come out swinging, then Nvidia will be force to lower prices of the faux 80 and 16gb 80 to compete for those that want new hardware.
That being said, you can still get a 3090 for the cheaper than 4080. So unless someone really wants DLSS3 and higher ray tracing. I really don't see the appeal.

I'd argue the 4080 is the card aimed towards users with more money than reason.

The 4090 is a top tier GPU, no far off the 3090 in RRP. IMO is the lower tier 40 series cards which are really ridiculous given what they're offering compared to last generation.

 

[brostradamus]

the whole value equation sometimes doesnt make sense, people seem to be fine with retarded x670e motherboard prices but tolerance seems to be tighter for graphic card which is a far more sophisticated component with functional value (motherboards dont have functional value).. the target audience is sometimes difficult to understand

 

[muon]

Red flag and free tyre change?

edit: whoops

 

[Mr Jack]

Red flag and free tyre change?

Wrong thread, mate?

 

[Jay85]

Red flag and free tyre change?

edit: whoops

Nvidia offering free tyre changes now with all 4090 gpu's?

 

[muon]

Nvidia offering free tyre changes now with all 4090 gpu's?

Still a rip off.

 

[extrememachine]

Can someone tell me if there is a potential ETA on the 4090 ti? I would hate to buy the 4090 when this is around the corner.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Nvidia offering free tyre changes now with all 4090 gpu's?

and a Red flag!! Probably mocking AMD #drivers

 

[Lashley93]

Can someone tell me if there is a potential ETA on the 4090 ti? I would hate to buy the 4090 when this is around the corner.

this time next year at the earliest

 

[Quartz]

Personally i find the prices ridiculous, especially compared to a console,

The XBox Series X costs £449, the PS5 £450; a basic 4k gaming PC is almost double.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core i5-12400F 2.50GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6AR-IN) = £199.99
• 1 x Gigabyte H610M S2H - Intel H610 DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5AL-GI) = £89.99
• 1 x Kolink Core Series 600W 80 Plus Certified Power Supply (SKU: CA-02P-KK) = £38.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB (2x8GB) 3600 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit (CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18) (SKU: MY-4BW-CS) = £68.99
• 1 x Kolink Citadel Mesh Micro-ATX Case - Black (SKU: CA-051-KK) = £52.99
• 1 x WD Blue SN570 500GB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS500G3B0C) (SKU: HD-588-WD) = £48.95
• 1 x Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2 CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-08F-CM) = £34.99
• 1 x MSI Radeon RX 6600 MECH 2X 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-37Z-MS) = £278.99

Total: £825.58 (includes delivery: £11.70)​

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[gpuerrilla]

a basic 4k gaming PC is almost double.

4k gaming you say?

 

[Lashley93]

The consoles are great value for sure, but too many downsides for me

 

[Raelgun]

The consoles are great value for sure, but too many downsides for me

In what way, these consoles are more powerful then 80% of peoples PC if we are going by Steams hardware survey considering most are using Nvidia 1060, 2060.

Other then modding games, theres little downsides, not to mention the sales on consoles games are better then Steam now.