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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Dave2150 said:
And they'll still outsell AMD 100 to 1, even if AMD is faster :)

Nvidia won the eternal mindshare of the PC market long ago.
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This time around nVIDIA got a lot a bad press. Is AMD's chance to put the right foot forward this time, but it they make another launch like with the R290/X (good card, terrible, terrible implementation for reviews), or have drivers that can offer top performance about 6 months to a year later, then is all on AMD.

brostradamus said:
whats frightening is intel is still delivering competitive products using an inferior process node.. if gelsinger is able to get intel fabs around tsmc envelopes, intel will back at its killing best
also, the amd x670 motherboard stunt was a big letdown, but such is the reality of pc gaming, we just got to reconcile with the way things are going
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That would be good, as will add a bit more competition - AMD could up those cores and not turn into into Intel v2.0 with their quads back in the day.
You want both parties to have strong and solid products so the end user will win ;)
 
Dave2150 said:
And they'll still outsell AMD 100 to 1, even if AMD is faster :)

Nvidia won the eternal mindshare of the PC market long ago.
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You could have said the same about the CPU market 7 years ago, AMD turned that around though by offering more for less and that's something they need to do in the gpu space if they are to win marketshare and ultimately mindshare.
 
looks like they are pretty good recommendations, 4090 + big cpu all OCed will be pulling quite a bit of wattage. Nvidia's 850w is most likely for normal-ish clocks
 
StriderX said:
What is Nvidia going to do with the 50 series? There's gotta be a limit to the ludicrously sized heatsinks they can use?
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At some stage they will be in a self-contained refrigerated unit, plugging directly into the mains.

You will also have to pay extra for the Ti unit, which will come with storage for a couple of beers.
 
The biggest factor for me is that most PSU's at 1KW or above are really overpriced, I bought a 1KW back in 2010 for just 135 quid and it was no basic unit.
Was the SST-1000P from Silverstone, it now powers a powerful amp and subwoofer. 13 years almost and it only had 1 fan replacement.


The one I have now is almost the same cost as the 1KW.

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Nvidia is in a bit of a pickle now, they've pushed this architecture about as hard as they can and they've manufactured it on the most cutting edge node available for this product size (TSMC 4nm).

There is no significant new node past 4nm with a significant boost in efficiency that they'll be able to leverage next - to produce these 4090's and push the architecture this hard Nvidia essentially went from 8nm/10nm straight down to 4nm/5nm, it's a massive jump and they won't get that again.

I don't know what Nvidia is doing, but I know what they should be doing - working on a new ground up architecture that they can launch with in 2024 and it needs serious efficiency improvements.

Nvidia has a couple other options available to them if they don't want to build a ground up architecture like AMD did with RDNA. They can continue to work with the Lovelace GPU and tweak the core layout to favour Ray Tracing as more games move over to RT. They could move to chiplets, keep the underlying Lovelace core but split it into small chiplets thus allowing more cores and more efficiency
 
Grim5 said:
Nvidia is in a bit of a pickle now, they've pushed this architecture about as hard as they can and they've manufactured it on the most cutting edge node available for this product size (TSMC 4nm).

There is no significant new node past 4nm with a significant boost in efficiency that they'll be able to leverage next - to produce these 4090's and push the architecture this hard Nvidia essentially went from 8nm/10nm straight down to 4nm/5nm, it's a massive jump and they won't get that again.

I don't know what Nvidia is doing, but I know what they should be doing - working on a new ground up architecture that they can launch with in 2024 and it needs serious efficiency improvements.

Nvidia has a couple other options available to them if they don't want to build a ground up architecture like AMD did with RDNA. They can continue to work with the Lovelace GPU and tweak the core layout to favour Ray Tracing as more games move over to RT. They could move to chiplets, keep the underlying Lovelace core but split it into small chiplets thus allowing more cores and more efficiency
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Cut out all productivity performance like they did with Kepler vs Fermi and you will have a much more efficient card.
 
Grim5 said:
Nvidia is in a bit of a pickle now, they've pushed this architecture about as hard as they can and they've manufactured it on the most cutting edge node available for this product size (TSMC 4nm).

There is no significant new node past 4nm with a significant boost in efficiency that they'll be able to leverage next - to produce these 4090's and push the architecture this hard Nvidia essentially went from 8nm/10nm straight down to 4nm/5nm, it's a massive jump and they won't get that again.

I don't know what Nvidia is doing, but I know what they should be doing - working on a new ground up architecture that they can launch with in 2024 and it needs serious efficiency improvements.

Nvidia has a couple other options available to them if they don't want to build a ground up architecture like AMD did with RDNA. They can continue to work with the Lovelace GPU and tweak the core layout to favour Ray Tracing as more games move over to RT. They could move to chiplets, keep the underlying Lovelace core but split it into small chiplets thus allowing more cores and more efficiency
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Other than 4090 buyers no one else is really getting much of an upgrade this gen so nvidia will have plenty of room for manoeuvre lower down the stack on the 5000 series.

All nvidia have to do is a +30% for a 5090 with better RT and maybe throw in a exclusive DLSS4.0. even if they don't change the node should be possible by utilising a full 102 chip with some optimisations.
 
Joxeon said:
Other than 4090 buyers no one else is really getting much of an upgrade this gen so nvidia will have plenty of room for manoeuvre lower down the stack on the 5000 series.

All nvidia have to do is a +30% for a 5090 with better RT and maybe throw in a exclusive DLSS4.0. even if they don't change the node should be possible by utilising a full 102 chip with some optimisations.
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Dlss 4 with additional MSAA on the fake frame. The games also play themselves.
 
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