NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Mr Jack]

Two different arguments these. I'm talking about boiling figures down to an average. Take the car analogy. You have ten cars and you want to work out the average top speed of all ten. But five of them have a speed limiter engaged. You cannot then say, 'The average speed of these ten cars is 130mph' or whatever it comes to. There is junk data contributing to that number. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't be testing these titles and showing the 4090 hits their CPU or engine limits (and it is engine limits in some cases, which is even worse). I'm arguing that the number output as an average is junk.

Whether it hits CPU/engine limits or GPU limits is missing the point. The question that (most) consumers are interested in is "how will putting this GPU in my computer affect the games I play", that's only reasonably reflected by testing those games in actual computer setups and whether or not the 4090 is capable of more in a still theoretical future system with faster CPU/memory/etc is not relevant to the question. In fact, being limited by the best CPUs available is a property of the card relevant to consumers and excluding it would produce less relevant results than including it.

And I'm telling you that a methodology that presents an average with hidden confounds would be laughed out of the room in my workplace. It's junk. Worthless. The methodology has to exclude it from said average and it doesn't.

I don't agree that "behaviour in real world testing" is a hidden confounding factor. Rather it is what is being measured. Any average hides detail, and that detail may be very important to the audience or it may not, hiding detail does not make using an average wrong. Now, if any particular source has failed to discuss the probable reasons for variations in performance and why CPU limitation may explain some of the results, then I'd agree they're not well informing their audience.

 

[Gerard]

Well they should..no sane person will pay £930+ at this point for a 3080 Ti or £1150 for 3090 Ti when they are now officialy last gen and base 4080 is out soon at £950 (supposedly) out performing them.
they should drop to :
3080 £500
3080 Ti £600
3090 £700
and 3090 Ti £800

Wouldn't surprise me to see further drops, these cards are made and sitting in inventory so if they want to shift them they need to decrease the pricing. Otherwise it just looks utterly farcical comparing them to newer more powerful cards at similar price points.

 

[Gerard]

At this point i'm quite happy to sit here and watch the world burn.

We might get that at some point if the Ruskis's keep on with their antics.

 

[uscool]

Wait to see 13900k performance, it releases on 20th October. Should be the best for gaming.

You must love getting ridiculed

 

[cHk4]

Or jacked off..

Is that a freebie thrown in with the higher cost cards? Asking for a friend.

 

[kieran_read]

Wouldn't surprise me to see further drops, these cards are made and sitting in inventory so if they want to shift them they need to decrease the pricing. Otherwise it just looks utterly farcical comparing them to newer more powerful cards at similar price points.

Well with the 6900xt below $700 in the US now, it's hopefully a sign of things to come over this side of the pond. Would be funny if there ends up being a price war in the old gen as the new gen is priced out of most peoples budget.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

Me either, I stay away from that section as I cba being drawn into an AMD vs Intel debate with the fan boys.

from a neutral standpoint, it seems likely it'll be pretty much a wash in gaming at 4k atm against raptor lake, but from the viewpoint of building a new system, I would pair with DDR5 anyhow, and AMD offers several gens of CPU upgrade path on the socket with X3D chips coming....

 

[Gerard]

Is that a freebie thrown in with the higher cost cards? Asking for a friend.

Should be at these prices.

 

[Mr Jack]

they killed it cos of compatability and the fact its a waste of time to probably keep supporting.
they dropped support for 3D too.

SLI was always a bit daft. Essentially a workaround for the market not providing the power of graphics card that people were willing to pay for. Now Nvidia have discovered that people will lay down two large for a card it makes much more sense to make that card rather than use a kludge to try and provide a less efficient solution. Also, with the latest PCI iterations the bandwidth is there for a single card and so there really is no advantage at all.

 

[humbug]

Well with the 6900xt below $700 in the US now, it's hopefully a sign of things to come over this side of the pond. Would be funny if there ends up being a price war in the old gen as the new gen is priced out of most peoples budget.

AMD's GPU's have some very odd pricing at the moment.

You look at the RX 6800... oh look at that its about £700.
Then you look at the 6800XT, look at that, about £700.
Now you're looking at the 6900XT, well #### me! about £700.

WTF is with that? Just one price for everything AMD makes, its £700. Want an AMD GPU???? that'll be £700

 

[azazl187]

Early reviews suggest a very good increase in performance over the 3090. I won't get one yet but I will in a year or so

 

[Monkeyspaz5000]

I have the Alienware 3440x1440 OLED Ultrawide.
I’m thinking the 4090 will basically top the monitor out at 175fps in most games?

I’ll then go for a 32” 4K OLED monitor if/when they become available.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

Is that a freebie thrown in with the higher cost cards? Asking for a friend.

Asus Strix. Reaches the parts other cards can't.

 

[JediFragger]

I’ll then go for a 32” 4K OLED monitor if/when they become available.

One of those at 240Hz should pair v v nicely with a 4090! Just a shame the Samdung G8 is ****, it'd be a good match too

 

[ExcitableBoyUK]

Apparently **** lock these to 1 per account and that even includes if you bought the 3000 series FE from them. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

 

[wookiee87]

Apparently **** lock these to 1 per account and that even includes if you bought the 3000 series FE from them. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

mentioning competitors isnt allowed, change that quick before mods see

 

[cHk4]

One of those at 240Hz should pair v v nicely with a 4090! Just a shame the Samdung G8 is ****, it'd be a good match too

I was waiting for that monitor for so long, then I saw all the quality issues now I’m waiting. I think my 4K monitor is a 144/165 panel, just has a yellow line going through it now

 

[JediFragger]

165Hz would push it too, good shout

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

I was waiting for that monitor for so long, then I saw all the quality issues now I’m waiting. I think my 4K monitor is a 144/165 panel, just has a yellow line going through it now

GL with the RMA. :/

 

[Grim5]

I have the Alienware 3440x1440 OLED Ultrawide.
I’m thinking the 4090 will basically top the monitor out at 175fps in most games?

I’ll then go for a 32” 4K OLED monitor if/when they become available.

Same monitor here and yeah in most games it's gonna run hard at 175fps if your CPU can keep up

I'm now regretting not going for a 4k 240hz screen though there aren't any really good ones out there yet