Damn I missed this. Wish someone has said it was available!
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
- Thread starter MrClippy
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Soldato
aye was after a one my self but missed out
We get sent on vacations on these forums if we hint things like this and I got tired of being on vacation for even making an offer and retracting it later on the MM recently. Anyways you've been here long enough to know that too.
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The problem is, its far too easy to use credit cards, loans, paypal interest free, the list goes on and on. It's very easy to pay for something these days that you can't technically afford but can defer it for 12 months and still own it.
We live in a world of credit where things are not sold for value just a monthly price. Easy available credit has made everything available to everyone.
I've never done it so wouldn't know. Putting a depreciating asset on a credit card screams stupidity to me.
Maybe I'm just super stingy. I earn about £3.5k to 4k a week and was bottling it in regards to the 4090. I'm sure there are people in much better financial positions than me but whats scary is I'm sure there are people in much worse, who've ran out to buy a GPU they probably won't even fully realise or utilise. Only after an afternoon of thinking, I've decided to stop being stingy and maybe just buy a pre-built rig. When I factored in the time and labour it'd take me and my dad to do a sub-par job building it, I would have probably been better off just working and letting a professional sort it.
Even now part of me thinks just leave it and buy something which won't depreciate in value quickly (like new watch) and just play 1440p and grab a second hand 3080 rig (i know fo one on sale for £1100 with a 9900k).
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Thats sad. Tie yourself to a series of monthly debts in regards to depreciating assets. So sad how we've all been essentially enslaved in terms of this mindset.
I honestly imagine 99% of 4090 owners to be really rich millionaires who can take the hit on depreciation and it not be a massive deal; but the scary thing is, I bet its not and its probably more your average person where the hit actually does affect them down the line without them realising.
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You earn over £200,000 a year and are concerned over buying a GPU ?
Got a mortgage to pay and lots of financial commitments. I want to be in a position where I can retire my parents early too cos they're getting on. Also I could lose my job at any point in time.. always need an emergency fund and a £2k GPU isnt that lol unless we have a mining boom i guess.
I still think £2000 is a hell of a lot of money. After tax, bills, investments, mortgage.. I still think £2k is a pretty juicy number for a GPU. But I guess this is where different perspectives and perogatives comes into play.
If its a Rolex/watch or even a camera lens or speakers where you know the depreciation halts after a while, is easier to stomach. Speaker won't really age in terms of performance and a Rolex or good watch after the iniital 20% depreciation should go up with inflation. But a GPU, unless its used for work, is just an asset .. well is not an asset.. just a toy which is always going to sink.
Obviously we all like toys but its a toy that fits our needs. The 4090 for most use cases apart from triple 4K (and high refresh rate 32:9.. and MAYBE 4k single panel - still no convinced on the latter; 3090TI will do fine) to me seems like a waste of money where the second hand 3090s going about would do a good enough job. Especially with gsync being able to smooth out frame rates.
Or maybe I'm stingy LOL. I am thinking of just treating myself to a pre-built system now instead. Life is too short is the other way to look at it.
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Yes, but we know that computers are an expensive hobby, at least hardware-wise.
Conditioned? I'll agree with that, but obligated? No.
Very true.
Its scary cos I've been there myself. Namely with Apple.
£2k Macbook
£1k iphone
£1k ipad with cellular
£250 ipod
On a student salary - aka putting pressure on my hard working parens to pay for it cos I didn't realise the concept of money.
Wanting to stay up to date and obsessed with having the latest model for the first 2-3 years of university. My poor parents having to try and fund it when I needed to grow up instead. Using high end semi-profesionall gear to browse google chrome, check my emails and do the odd power point.
Had an epiphany about it around 2014-2015. now I'm still rocking the same macbook for the same silly duties.. except its battery life is now closer to 25 minues lol.
However gaming has that magic about it, especially when u push it to the limits.. which makes u wanna spend ££. I just tried BF5 on my RTX 2080 triple monitor 4K... and i can defo do with the juice to make it really run. Similarly MSFS
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Associate
I have the same UW and have a 4090 coming tomorrow.
I think a 4K monitor would be better suited, but after having the UW I’ll wait until a QD OLED 4K monitor at 32” is released.
PSA announcement
Unlike prior RTX generations, all RTx4090 cards are voltage limited out of the box. Nvidia keeps the stock voltage ceiling to 1.05v and it doesn't matter if you push the power limit from 450w to 600w, performance hardly moves due to the voltage limit.
However you can help somewhat, using MSI afterburner you can unlock the voltage slider and boost it to 1.1v. 1.1v still isn't enough but that's as high as the bios will let you go, hardcore overclockers will need to do shunt mods or something - I have seen at least one user who managed to force the card to 1.2v and that boosted clock speed to 3.5ghz
Unlike prior RTX generations, all RTx4090 cards are voltage limited out of the box. Nvidia keeps the stock voltage ceiling to 1.05v and it doesn't matter if you push the power limit from 450w to 600w, performance hardly moves due to the voltage limit.
However you can help somewhat, using MSI afterburner you can unlock the voltage slider and boost it to 1.1v. 1.1v still isn't enough but that's as high as the bios will let you go, hardcore overclockers will need to do shunt mods or something - I have seen at least one user who managed to force the card to 1.2v and that boosted clock speed to 3.5ghz
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Associate
I dont know but i am feeling high if i am thinking about 4090 buy. And i have because anxiety stomach pain. Anxiety why? Always before new upgrade + small high feeling. Anyone feeling the same or its only me?
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i am smoking a lot ( 2 cigarettes each 30 minutes ) and a lot cooffee
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i am smoking a lot ( 2 cigarettes each 30 minutes ) and a lot cooffee
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Man of Honour
Ideally you want at least a 37.5" ultrawide if you're looking at an equivalent to 4K resolution at least. That size has a native resolution of 3840x1600 and the PPI would look/feel natural too. 32" ultrawide with 3840x1600 will mean games look sharp indeed, but the desktop, text, icons etc would look small compared to what that size screen should otherwise have in terms of native resolution and PPI.
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Been saying this since I saw the specs, not only are prices ridiculous but the performance on offer is last gen. These cards should not be anymore than £450 and £700, anyone who buys them at the current prices is a moron.Sorry if it's been mentioned. But what in the F is going on here. 50%+ raster performance uplift between 4090 and 4080 16GB. That card should be sub €1000 then. They have it ass about face. You pay a premium for the uber elite tier. You know, that extra 15-20% max for d!ck swinging idiot with more money then sense. You don't sell us half the card for 3/4 the price. Zero value in either 4080. Nvidia basically telling 3000 series owners drop 2k+ on a 4090 or get screwed!
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Man of Honour
Well I guess that proves one thing, that these power hungry cards are actually highly efficient on power when locked to draw a certain number of frames and run very cool and silent?
Maybe this is the game changer after all, you still get monumental fps, but you also use puny amounts of power as a result. you could lock the framerate to whatever your refresh rate is and never hear the GPU fan again when gaming as a result?
That's one way of looking at it lol.
If the 16GB 4080 follows a similar trend then I may well have to switch up to that. The only thing that annoys me about the 3080 Ti even undervolted is the loud fan which is still loud even with headphones on when gaming, just because the GPU temp is so high.
Maybe this is the game changer after all, you still get monumental fps, but you also use puny amounts of power as a result. you could lock the framerate to whatever your refresh rate is and never hear the GPU fan again when gaming as a result?
That's one way of looking at it lol.
If the 16GB 4080 follows a similar trend then I may well have to switch up to that. The only thing that annoys me about the 3080 Ti even undervolted is the loud fan which is still loud even with headphones on when gaming, just because the GPU temp is so high.
Man of Honour
... But why??