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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Purgatory said:
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RDNA3 will be interesting as well. Since last gen cards are still for sale, they kill the value proposition of new launches and AMD is not immune.

The 6900xt had a launch MSRP of $999 but can right now be grabbed for $599usd and its replacement has a $999 MSRP and AIB cards will probably be around $1200 - so we'd be again making this argument that while its 60-80% faster than the 6900xt, its 70% to 100% more expensive.

So whether you buy Nvidia now or AMD's upcoming cards, all the new models have worse performance per dollar compared to the price of last gen cards that you can walk into any shop and buy right now.
 
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^JP^ said:
Probably dispatch tomorrow for Thursday then I’m away all weekend which is typical after waiting weeks!

That’s some difference, how much rad space does he have compared to you?

I have 4x480 low fpi rads, will see how good the block is on provided paste and if my delta is crap maybe I’ll try Liquid Metal.
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Yeah i was surprised myself at the difference tbh , 100% doing its job of pulling out a large amount of heat and transferring it to the water .

As for rads he is only using a single 360 PE where as i have 3 x 360 ( XE, PE, SE ) so a lot more rad surface area but that wont affect the delta between core and water which is dictated by the TIM and pump speed . The big rad surface helps keep water temp down (Ambient to water delta) which does bring down the core temp due to the water being cooler but the delta between core and water will remain the same so 32 on paste and 20 on LM :)

Give paste a try on yours and see how it goes, if you find it a bit hot then switch to LM .
 
Yeah good point!
I have always focused on good air to water delta as the water to cpu/gpu has never been an issue.
Until now with a the latest tech being super hot.
Gone and bought a Ryzen now too so got that thick IHS to deal with also.
 
Grim5 said:
RDNA3 will be interesting as well. Since last gen cards are still for sale, they kill the value proposition of new launches and AMD is not immune.

The 6900xt had a launch MSRP of $999 but can right now be grabbed for $599usd and its replacement has a $999 MSRP and AIB cards will probably be around $1200 - so we'd be again making this argument that while its 60-80% faster than the 6900xt, its 70% to 100% more expensive.

So whether you buy Nvidia now or AMD's upcoming cards, all the new models have worse performance per dollar compared to the price of last gen cards that you can walk into any shop and buy right now.
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To a certain extent this is deliberate as they both want to clear stock on the old cards. I would imagine that it's less of an issue for AMD, so then at least with AMD you are getting an increase in performance for the same launch MSRP, where as with Nvidia it's still 50% increase for 100% extra cost.
 
Jay85 said:
Im a little surprised or maybe not that there was no UK drop yesterday. Probably trying to create demand again :cry: by starving us for a few weeks, what a fail lol.
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Barely any 4090 stock about - even AIB's. I thought with the 4080 pricing there would be another run on 4090's causing shortage as they look better value than the 3090 was vs 3080. FLipped this gen.

Can understand people wanting to save 10% on these cards as that's £150-£200. But I see Palit and Zotac @ £1699 and £1739 at OCUK repsectively - Zotac have 5yr warranty! Surprised the Zotac are in stock to be honest with the only AIB with 5yrs - 3% more than FE MSRP - I thought they'd be gone.

4000 series pricing needs its own thread as anything interesting about 4000 series is hard to find in the pages of price whinging. Best and only thing to do is not buy it - moaning about it wont change anything. In time they will come down........in a year or two, when the next gen is released.
 
Woodsta888 said:
Barely any 4090 stock about - even AIB's. I thought with the 4080 pricing there would be another run on 4090's causing shortage as they look better value than the 3090 was vs 3080. FLipped this gen.

Can understand people wanting to save 10% on these cards as that's £150-£200. But I see Palit and Zotac @ £1699 and £1739 at OCUK repsectively - Zotac have 5yr warranty! Surprised the Zotac are in stock to be honest with the only AIB with 5yrs - 3% more than FE MSRP - I thought they'd be gone.

4000 series pricing needs its own thread as anything interesting about 4000 series is hard to find in the pages of price whinging. Best and only thing to do is not buy it - moaning about it wont change anything. In time they will come down........in a year or two, when the next gen is released.
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There is lots of 4090 stock if you know where to look and a lot of places now have even dropped some of the AIB models to the same FE msrp. There is zero shortages.

Example right here even on OCUK same price as a 4090 FE.. :- https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...dr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-06x-pl.html


They can't even sell them and saw one place change the price 5 times one day and still in stock and they were only £50 above the msrp and then created some bundle with some cards to sell off older tech with them or a psu and then gave up too and removed them :cry: as they can't shift them even at £1750 to £1699. Some retailers are really making themselves look like fools and lucky for some I'm not taking screenshots of their antics and sticking them on their social media to show the stupid pricing games they are playing.

This generation of Nvidia gpus has already killed itself off with all the issues with the power connectors and then the pricing and games from Nvidia. They will be fire sold soon enough and nvidia throwing rebates at AIBS and retailers to get rid of them. It will start with some game bundle and then some ohh special price for a while and then what we saw with the 3090ti a total crash From £1889 to £1049.. Same is coming for this gen of cards as they are selling 4090s that should be really no more than a 4080ti in name as the chip is very cut down compared to the full AD102, even the 3090 had only 2% cut compared to a 3090ti full chip. :rolleyes:
 
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Purgatory said:
There is lots of 4090 stock if you know where to look and a lot of places now have even dropped some of the AIB models to the same FE msrp. There is zero shortages.

Example right here even on OCUK same priceas a 4090 FE.. :- https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...dr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-06x-pl.html
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Yeah - that's the card I'm on about in what I wrote.

Lots of stock would mean all major retailers have plenty. Bolton have none - OCUK have 4 SKU's - if the bigguns don't have much stock then I wouldn't class it as plenty.

Time you upgraded those 3090's SLi :D
:p

Gaming rig AND work rig, Nvidia will have you in the end:D
 
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Woodsta888 said:
Yeah - that's the card I'm on about in what I wrote.

Lots of stock would mean all major retailers have plenty. Bolton have none - OCUK have 4 SKU's - if the bigguns don't have much stock then I wouldn't class it as plenty.

Time you upgraded those 3090's SLi :D
:p
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I would if they stuck NVLINK on the 4090s... but they are not 90 class cards but 80ti class at best with no NVLINK.. :cry: Only upgrade path Nvidia has given me at moment is to go A-series with again an ampere card that that has 48GB each to get 96GB. I'm VRAM limited not gpu grunt for the work I do on them and starting to get close to that 48GB pooled VRAM now...:mad: So hoping 5090 come with NVLINK again and more VRAM than 24GB or they release some Titan that has NVLINK and more VRAM than 24GB after this joke of a generation of ADA.

ADA will never have NVLINK as the AD102 chips have no NVLINK silicon on the chips and same for their ADA A-series. Even if they release a 4090ti with 48GB it's pointless without NVLINK. :(


I will probably get a 4090 for the HTPC and sell the 3090 in that in time, but so far don't even have time to do things I need so last of my worries right now is gaming and even that HTPC 3090 has been on less than 15 hours since I purchased it as the whole build was new and SSD run time is soon 14 hours :cry:, so the GPU has been on 14 hours but had less than 2 hours gaming on it.:rolleyes:
 
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Purgatory said:
There is lots of 4090 stock if you know where to look and a lot of places now have even dropped some of the AIB models to the same FE msrp. There is zero shortages.

Example right here even on OCUK same price as a 4090 FE.. :- https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...dr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-06x-pl.html


They can't even sell them and saw one place change the price 5 times one day and still in stock and they were only £50 above the msrp and then created some bundle with some cards to sell off older tech with them or a psu and then gave up too and removed them :cry: as they can't shift them even at £1750 to £1699. Some retailers are really making themselves look like fools and lucky for some I'm not taking screenshots of their antics and sticking them on their social media to show the stupid pricing games they are playing.

This generation of Nvidia gpus has already killed itself off with all the issues with the power connectors and then the pricing and games from Nvidia. They will be fire sold soon enough and nvidia throwing rebates at AIBS and retailers to get rid of them. It will start with some game bundle and then some ohh special price for a while and then what we saw with the 3090ti a total crash From £1889 to £1049.. Same is coming for this gen of cards as they ar selling 4090s that should be really no more than a 4080ti in name as the chip is very cut down compared to the full AD102, even the 3090 had only 2% cut compared to a 3090ti full chip. :rolleyes:
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In theory the base model AIB's that run on the cheaper looking coolers should be lower priced than FE models since they run on a probably lower binned chip. We all know that nvidia would probably keep all the better binned chips for themselves for the FE models so it makes sense to price the base spec AIB models lower. But unfortunately, that's not happening hence why only the desperate buy them in the end and usually you see those models show up in market places a few weeks or months later when they get a better model. Seen this happen on the OCUK market place already a few times.
 
Woodsta888 said:
Gaming rig AND work rig, Nvidia will have you in the end:D
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Sadly just a matter of time....(as the song states below) as I use CUDA for work.. and the idea of having same card for HTPC is so it acts as a backup for the work rig in case I need to RMA one.. so far not had to worry about that as all 3 have been rock solid and I purchased 5 in total of the same card as I was going to build 2 workstations in SLI but never happened with the second one as the motherboard I wanted the same as I use the x570 Godlike became £1200-£1500 and then went out of stock world wide... So sold one of the 3090s in the old HTPC to my niece as she liked it and had to have it..., purchased another one thinking will still build a second workstation .. then gave up sold that card to a work mate for his sons pc, so ended up with 2 in workstation and 3rd ended up in the new HTPC..

Nvidia did good last time with me but this time I see threw their game with the lack of NVLINK and what they expect me to buy next time I update.. a super expensive A-Series.. 3090s were cheap for pro use and Nvidia saw what pros did with them and this time they made sure we don't get cheap pro use cards again... So over priced their gaming only cards more this time.. :cry: What a joke really. The 4090 should be really the 4080ti at $1200-$1250 and not a penny more this time. The 4080 is in a whole new category of comical so we will leave my ranting to end here as we all know the comedy of the 4080.



 
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Purgatory said:
Sadly just a matter of time....(as the song states below) as I use CUDA for work.. and the idea of having same card for HTPC is so it acts as a backup for the work rig in case I need to RMA one.. so far not had to worry about that as all 3 have been rock solid and I purchased 5 in total of the same card as I was going to build 2 workstations in SLI but never happened with the second one as the motherboard I wanted the same as I use the x570 Godlike became £1200-£1500 and then went out of stock world wide... So sold one of the 3090s in the old HTPC to my niece as she liked it and had to have it..., purchased another one thinking will still build a second workstation .. then gave up sold that card to a work mate for his sons pc, so ended up with 2 in workstation and 3rd ended up in the new HTPC..

Nvidia did good last time with me but this time I see threw their game with the lack of NVLINK and what they expect me to buy next time I update.. a super expensive A-Series.. 3090s were cheap for pro use and Nvidia saw what pros did with them and this time they made sure we don't get cheap pro use cards again... So over priced their gaming only cards more this time.. :cry: What a joke really. The 4090 should be really the 4080ti at $1200-$1250 and not a penny more this time. The 4080 is in a whole new category of comical so we will leave my ranting to end here as we all know the comedy of the 4080.



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Yeah I remember from a few weeks back that you have more aggreivance around the 4000 series due to requiring these cards for work and the NVlink which I'd forgotten about. Dual cards, SLi and Xfire are all but memories for gamers - never scaled well for gamers. Again a % of performance for 100% cost. Work situations maybe different.

These new cards are so powerful and demand must be low enough to bother engineering it - Deffo a 90ti on the horizon or a super maybe. If they add in a Titan version for professional use or a 4100 - they'll be some professional markup on that as VAT is reclaimable.

Hope you find some gaming time soon.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Yes, when you think about it there are a number of factors that play in to this. PC sales have really decreased since the pandemic to below pre-pandemic levels (because so many people bought in the pandemic), GPU have gone down due to the mining collapse. NVIDIA have way too many 30 series GPU's and way to many 40 series ordered. It all adds up to falling profits for NVIDIA. I am surprised that they seem to want to kill off the upgrade market rather than revitalise it. The way they are going I will drop from buying once every two years to once every five or perhaps even longer and I am sure other people will do the same. At the moment I am downgrading my monitor to remove the need for such an expensive GPU. I just refuse to pay these prices.
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I mean... It's not going to stop if people keep paying the prices, and we're not in control.

I only buy every 8 years or so and I refuse to pay the GPU prices. How people can knowingly see a doubling of price in 1 generation and still buy I don't know (in the 4080 area I guess this is proving not many are willing).

At least there seems to be push back movement happening now with 4000 series pricing, seeing lots more comments and attention regarding price.
 
Jay85 said:
When they drop again, i have a feeling they won't sell out or disappear this time since the other regions are still showing in stock.
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4090 FE is all sold out in Europe and went pretty quickly after they dropped, I imagine same will happen in UK again . 4080 FE yeah plenty of them about still :cry:
 
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