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why 16gb though surely 12gb is more than enough? I'm not aware of any games that uses this amount of vram
Depends on the resolution, anything below 4K sure I agree. I have yet to play a game since getting the 3080 Ti that utilises more than 9GB of VRAM, I've played many new games (3440x1440) since Jan!
 
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Depends on the resolution, anything below 4K sure I agree. I have yet to play a game since getting the 3080 Ti that utilises more than 9GB of VRAM, I've played many new games (3440x1440) since Jan!
Using more vRAM mostly happens only when people slap on some very texture heavy mods, with true 4k or even 8k textures, etc. With these applied, I've seen GPU usage come up considerably over 12GB of vRAM but this is rare and user induced.
 
It's just common logic/sense as far as the 4080 is concerned.
irrelevant, you have no right telling people what to do. It's their money. If they want it no one has a right to stop them. I too think the 4080 is terrible value and should be avoided. but for other people they may be able to justify it. Maybe they had roughly 1200 to spend, cant go up to 4090 but dont want to go 30 series. Not really any of our business
 
why 16gb though surely 12gb is more than enough? I'm not aware of any games that uses this amount of vram
Always good to have headroom left over for future demands as well as other system tasks.
I'm a 3d artist, programs I use regularly hit 12gb+ of vram use. Say I want to pause work and have a quick game, on a 12gb card I can't play anything without closing all my apps down.
 
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If you had GPU accelerated apps open utilising GPU cycles and VRAM then you'd have to close them down anyway in order to game as you'd be losing framerates otherwise. I am in the same boat, Lightroom/Photoshop can consume most of my VRAM when editing or exporting etc as it's all GPU accelerated now. If I minimise Lightroom for example then I lose 20-30fps in demanding games instantly, even though the app is minimised and not actually processing anything. The mere act of having it open allocates GPU time to the process and game rendering is affected, even if VRAM is free.

irrelevant, you have no right telling people what to do. It's their money. If they want it no one has a right to stop them. I too think the 4080 is terrible value and should be avoided. but for other people they may be able to justify it. Maybe they had roughly 1200 to spend, cant go up to 4090 but dont want to go 30 series. Not really any of our business
Guys I think some of you have completely missed a step here and have misinterpreted what I have said. Can we not just enjoy a bit of light-heartedness without the reddit-style high horse attitudes that is seen on a daily nowadays because people take things way too seriously?
 
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The Palit and Zotac 4090 AIBs seem to be the closest to MSRP cards (next to the FE of course). They also seem to be the most widely available. I am considering the Zotac at the moment. Anyone here with a Zotac 4090? Would love to hear what you think of it.
 
The Palit and Zotac 4090 AIBs seem to be the closest to MSRP cards (next to the FE of course). They also seem to be the most widely available. I am considering the Zotac at the moment. Anyone here with a Zotac 4090? Would love to hear what you think of it.
Well my Zotac 4090 Airo that was over £2k at launch died shortly after 30 days of use, or should I say it started dying after 5 minutes of use in games that pushed it over about 400w, even with a brand new 1300w Antec (Seasonic) PSU and 13700K CPU. Overclockers sent it back to Zotac for REPAIR over a week ago and I still havent heard anything yet. **** poor service in my opinion.
 
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The Palit and Zotac 4090 AIBs seem to be the closest to MSRP cards (next to the FE of course). They also seem to be the most widely available. I am considering the Zotac at the moment. Anyone here with a Zotac 4090? Would love to hear what you think of it.
I had a Zotac and the card was good with a very good core ( nice oc ) and no coil whine at all , unfortunately mine did have faulty fans so i rma it . i was lucky to be able to get an FE on the 2nd drop we had but had i not got that i would have happily got another zotac when i rma mine :)
 
If you had GPU accelerated apps open utilising GPU cycles and VRAM then you'd have to close them down anyway in order to game as you'd be losing framerates otherwise.
This is often a real problem. These days, "GPU accelerated apps" is almost everything. Chrome, Discord, Steam, DWM/Windows, basically any Eletron app, etc. These all eat VRAM in the background.

My other halfs machine has a 3060 TI in it and it's not uncommon for that machine to be using 3-3.5 GB VRAM just in normal non gaming use. So once you fire up a game you have barely more than 4 GB VRAM free, and thus many games run terribly. Some are full on slideshow 2 FPS teritory. That would really make me worry about cards with 10/12 GB these days. Of course you can close /everything/ and claw some of that back, but now you basically just have a games consoles as you can't run anything else at the same time as gaming.

I don't think I'd feel comfortable with any less than 16 GB VRAM on a new card myself.
 
True, I tested this out to check something earlier and noted Firefox using the GPU, even though at 0% whilst minimised, the allocation was there inc VRAM:

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Whilst minimised, VRAM was reading allocated at 1.4GB for the entire system inc Firefox. Closing Firefox resulted in 0.6GB VRAM allocated for the entire system, so DWM isn't really a factor in this scenario on Windows 11 22H2 at least. Keep in mind that on 22H2 Windows will suspend background processes as long as they comply with the UWP/Power status groups - So effectively many apps could be completely suspended by Windows 11 if they comply with those requirements for Windows to be able to do that. You will see yellow/green icons under the Status column in task manager showing what apps were suspended to improve performance.

Normally when I game I never close Firefox down purely because at this res and all max settings I only see 9GB of VRAM use in RTSS, that's %process% use so only the game using up to 9GB VRAM, so if I had 1.4GB VRAM being used by the rest of the system inc minimised Firefox, then I'd still be under the 12GB of my card.

realistically I would want at least 16GB on my next card because games will get bigger, but I am also keeping an eye on what happens with DirectStorage/RTXIO. There'd be less strain on VRAM if textures are streaming direct to the GPU in realtime going forwards so having to worry about system VRAM use etc should not be a worry if future games are making use of this API I think.
 
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True, I tested this out to check something earlier and noted Firefox using the GPU, even though at 0% whilst minimised, the allocation was there inc VRAM:

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Whilst minimised, VRAM was reading allocated at 1.4GB for the entire system inc Firefox. Closing Firefox resulted in 0.6GB VRAM allocated for the entire system, so DWM isn't really a factor in this scenario on Windows 11 22H2 at least. Keep in mind that on 22H2 Windows will suspend background processes as long as they comply with the UWP/Power status groups - So effectively many apps could be completely suspended by Windows 11 if they comply with those requirements for Windows to be able to do that. You will see yellow/green icons under the Status column in task manager showing what apps were suspended to improve performance.

Normally when I game I never close Firefox down purely because at this res and all max settings I only see 9GB of VRAM use in RTSS, that's %process% use so only the game using up to 9GB VRAM, so if I had 1.4GB VRAM being used by the rest of the system inc minimised Firefox, then I'd still be under the 12GB of my card.

realistically I would want at least 16GB on my next card because games will get bigger, but I am also keeping an eye on what happens with DirectStorage/RTXIO. There'd be less strain on VRAM if textures are streaming direct to the GPU in realtime going forwards so having to worry about system VRAM use etc should not be a worry if future games are making use of this API I think.
Firefox - thought that didn't exist anymore! Across all devices, the browser has slid to less than 4 percent of the market
 
It's still very popular with its own active subreddit community and continues to be regularly updated. It's my browser of choice purely because, unlike Chrome (which gets more restrictive as time goes on etc), allows you to browse how you like and the Mozilla Sync system is great across all my devices (car, phone, PC).
 
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It's still very popular with its own active subreddit community and continues to be regularly updated. It's my browser of choice purely because, unlike Chrome (which gets more restrictive as time goes on etc), allows you to browse how you like and the Mozilla Sync system is great across all my devices (car, phone, PC).
I still use Napster and it works so well!
 
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Well my Zotac 4090 Airo that was over £2k at launch died shortly after 30 days of use, or should I say it started dying after 5 minutes of use in games that pushed it over about 400w, even with a brand new 1300w Antec (Seasonic) PSU and 13700K CPU. Overclockers sent it back to Zotac for REPAIR over a week ago and I still havent heard anything yet. **** poor service in my opinion.
Ask for your money back and buy something else
 
The Palit and Zotac 4090 AIBs seem to be the closest to MSRP cards (next to the FE of course). They also seem to be the most widely available. I am considering the Zotac at the moment. Anyone here with a Zotac 4090? Would love to hear what you think of it.
I have a Zotac 4090 Airo but used to have a Aorus Master 4090. The Zotac card is slightly faster on benchmarks for whatever reason even though it can only go up to 110% power rather than 133% (maybe a better sample). The design of the Zotac card is pretty ugly in my opinion because I’m a brand snob and don’t like seeing Zotac in big letters on the card lol. One annoying thing is that the performance bios option has a red light that permanently stays on which I find off putting and as a quick fix I just turned the rgb settings to all red. It’s not a bad card at all but I would have preferred to get an Msi or Asus card just out of brand preference. The 5 year warranty on Zotac looks decent though but no idea if they will actually honour the warranty if the card dies. Also the Zotac card was £390 cheaper which was a good result :)
 
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The Palit and Zotac 4090 AIBs seem to be the closest to MSRP cards (next to the FE of course). They also seem to be the most widely available. I am considering the Zotac at the moment. Anyone here with a Zotac 4090? Would love to hear what you think of it.
FWIW, I've mainly used MSI cards over the years, but did buy a Palit card a few years back. Worked perfectly for many years until I eventually sold it on. I was quite impressed, as it was the cheapest card I could find at the time (unlike my Gainward Phantom card where the fans failed..)
 
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