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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Hey guys. Just wanted to to drop in and mention that I took delivery of the ZOTAC 4090 Trinity on Saturday. Going straight back for a refund. Like a lot of others, I got really awful bearing noise from the fans. To try and describe it better for those that haven't heard it, imagine a large wind machine running across a field. That sound, at that volume, but tinnier, as soon as the card is loaded. Plus the VBIOS is trash. It takes 40 seconds to stop the fans once the load is off, it won't go below 30% (1100RPM) and fan-stop breaks from just having MSI Afterburner installed. Utter garbage. Avoid, would be my advice. I wouldn't tolerate this on a £300 card, let alone a near £2K one.

Think I'm going to wait now. MSI and ASUS are all stupid expensive for no real gain and have a coil whine lottery. PALIT has crap PCBs that don't even use fuses for basic safety, and everything else is out of stock anyway. Real shame that the biggest issue with the 4090 is the AIBs. They're either all charging you the value of a plane ticket for a colourful shroud, or scraping the bin for bargin special components.
 
Mace ya face said:
Think I'm going to wait now. MSI and ASUS are all stupid expensive for no real gain and have a coil whine lottery. PALIT has crap PCBs that don't even use fuses for basic safety, and everything else is out of stock anyway. Real shame that the biggest issue with the 4090 is the AIBs. They're either all charging you the value of a plane ticket for a colourful shroud, or scraping the bin for bargin special components.
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Oh no that’s not great, I was considering the Palit after reading some good things about it on here over the weekend.

Which AIBs are favourable for the 4090?

EDIT: found the PCB tear down for the Palit:
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GPU PCB Breakdown: Palit RTX 4090 GameRock OC // BIG OOF

Techpowerup review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-4090-gamerock-oc/TL;DW/text version: https://www.patreon.com/posts/73321881My Patreo...
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OverDrive said:
Oh no that’s not great, I was considering the Palit after reading some good things about it on here over the weekend.

Which AIBs are favourable for the 4090?
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Ya, the PALIT having a, "bad", PCB should be meaningless. I love Buildzoid, but the guy vocalises his opnions on a scale of extremes. He is the poster child for the meme of, "YouTube reviewer in the video vs IRL". That said though, no fuses is just irrisponsible and he's right to call that out.

For me, Gainward might be a solid bet, though if they're sharing PALIT's PCB as they have sometimes done in other generations, then it's of course a no go. KFA2 and Inno3D are both nuke too as they're reported to be using the same fans as ZOTAC. MSI and ASUS have terrible coil whine and insane pricing. Gigabyte's Windforce looks very good. If you can get that at it's intended price (~£1800) that looks to be the best all rounder, though Gigabyte are infamous for under-stocking the UK.

So in short; Gigabyte Windforce or Gainward (again assuming it's not sharing the PALIT's fuseless PCB design)
 
Kronos said:
Quick question and I am sure its been answered, what sized PSU would a 4080 need?
Thanks.
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Depends on the rest of your system
A 65W AMD CPU with only a couple of case fans and SSDs, no sound cards or sundry powered off the mobo: 650W.

A system with a hefty Intel CPU, 850W. Maybe more if you want to start overclocking stuff and have everything but the sink plugged into the mobo (you still see posts with 8 HDs running and 10 case fans, 2 USB hubs for VR and so on).
 
Trickle said:
Depends on the rest of your system
A 65W AMD CPU with only a couple of case fans and SSDs, no sound cards or sundry powered off the mobo: 650W.

A system with a hefty Intel CPU, 850W. Maybe more if you want to start overclocking stuff and have everything but the sink plugged into the mobo (you still see posts with 8 HDs running and 10 case fans, 2 USB hubs for VR and so on).
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What's imn my sig plus 4 fans is probably it.
 
Eurgh. I was so ready to pull the trigger on the GameRock OC 4090 this morning now I read the above comments regarding fuses and getting cold feet. I've had coil whine on my 1080 Ti FE since I got it so maybe I should drop the extra money on an MSI. Had their 980 Ti Gaming once upon a time which was nice.
 
@OverDrive I've looked into the Gainward card and can't find any PCB shots or breakdowns of it. Sadly though, I did find two people with fans that had the exact same fan noise issue as the ZOTAC, and it has the same brain dead 30% (1100RPM) minimum speed for the fans. Don't know what AIBs are smoking lately but hot damn I want some.

  • PALIT has a crap PCB
  • ZOTAC, KFA2, Inno3D, PNY and Gainward all have crap fans
  • MSI and ASUS have coil whine and are silly expensive
  • Gigabyte must be loving this

Example video of the two I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkDqECSDgj4
 
ServerlessMonkey said:
Eurgh. I was so ready to pull the trigger on the GameRock OC 4090 this morning now I read the above comments regarding fuses and getting cold feet. I've had coil whine on my 1080 Ti FE since I got it so maybe I should drop the extra money on an MSI. Had their 980 Ti Gaming once upon a time which was nice.
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I was tempted too, but the lack of fuses is something that cannot be stomached. It's an impossibly cheap (1-2 US cents per card at most) safety feature. Again the, "bad", PCB shouldn't matter as anyone with a brain will be undervolting and power limiting a 4090 anyway. But not having a basic fire prevention feature is just madness. Even if the warranty is good.
 
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@Mace ya face thanks for the info. This is disappointing for such expensive GPUs. You would not expect this type of cost cutting on what should be a premium electronics product. The margins here are clearly completely out!

I don’t know much about PCB design, however not having fuses doesn’t sound good at all.. especially given the power draw of the 4090! Has it been confirmed that other AIBs have fuses on the PCB?
 
OverDrive said:
Oh no that’s not great, I was considering the Palit after reading some good things about it on here over the weekend.

Which AIBs are favourable for the 4090?

EDIT: found the PCB tear down for the Palit:
m.youtube.com

GPU PCB Breakdown: Palit RTX 4090 GameRock OC // BIG OOF

Techpowerup review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-4090-gamerock-oc/TL;DW/text version: https://www.patreon.com/posts/73321881My Patreo...
m.youtube.com m.youtube.com
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Ignore him he waffles a lot of rubbish. The cards are fine and all 4080/90s from palit are all over built anyways even if they don't have more phases than other cards, also they seem to keep beating the better cards too for over £2k cards like the strix etc.





Every review I have seen has actually been really good on them.
 
rumple9 said:
why 16gb though surely 12gb is more than enough? I'm not aware of any games that uses this amount of vram
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I own games already that do and there is future proofing.

For me, i dont care about 61+ fps, 60 is enough, so rasterization is enough, I have the opinion Nvidia have misbalanced their rasterization performance vs VRAM, AMD got the balance better.

AMD are selling a card for about 350usd now with 12 gigs, Nvidia can do it easily.

Feels a moot discussion as I think Nvidia have massive margins on 4000 series, they could probably knock off £300 whilst keeping RT and 16 gigs and a profit.
 
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Purgatory said:
Ignore him he waffles a lot of rubbish. The cards are fine and all 4080/90s from palit are all over built anyways even if they don't have more phases than other cards, also they seem to keep beating the better cards too for over £2k cards like the strix etc.





Every review I have seen has actually been really good on them.
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Here's my Palit 4090 GameRock running Firestrike Ultra. It is currently the fastest graphics score on Firestrike Ultra on the OcuK bench thread, beating out all those other 'superior' 4090 models.

Here it is running 3DMark speed way. It is currently the fastest score on the OcuK bench thread, beating out all those other 'superior' 4090 models.

Here it is running 3DMark DirectX Raytracing Feature Test. It is currently the fastest score on the OcuK bench thread, beating out all those other 'superior' 4090 models.

I wouldn't worry about the quality of the PCB from preventing you getting one of these. The two-year warranty period is a much more legitimate gripe for not getting one IMO.

Very happy with mine and the cooler is super easily to dismantle and change the thermal paste.

EDIT - Quoted you, but not specifically aimed at you @Purgatory :cry:
 
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Mace ya face said:
Ya, the PALIT having a, "bad", PCB should be meaningless. I love Buildzoid, but the guy vocalises his opnions on a scale of extremes. He is the poster child for the meme of, "YouTube reviewer in the video vs IRL". That said though, no fuses is just irrisponsible and he's right to call that out.

For me, Gainward might be a solid bet, though if they're sharing PALIT's PCB as they have sometimes done in other generations, then it's of course a no go. KFA2 and Inno3D are both nuke too as they're reported to be using the same fans as ZOTAC. MSI and ASUS have terrible coil whine and insane pricing. Gigabyte's Windforce looks very good. If you can get that at it's intended price (~£1800) that looks to be the best all rounder, though Gigabyte are infamous for under-stocking the UK.

So in short; Gigabyte Windforce or Gainward (again assuming it's not sharing the PALIT's fuseless PCB design)
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The Gigabyte Windforce looks to be one of if not the most basic pcb there is if that bothers you ....

RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison

I've been watching a lot of content on the 4090s and with Buildzoid coming out with his two board analysis videos I wanted a quick reference to all 4090 cards in terms of VRM arrangements. It's interesting seeing the wild variance from the Halo cards (Suprim, STRIX, AIRO) and the OC cards (Trio, ...
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For what its worth i think any of the PCB will be fine for the 4090 , they are all signed off by Nvida so the way i see it is the most basic of the pcb is all it needs to work with the rest being over enginerred for what 99% of people will do with them which is play games.
 
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