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Jay-G25 said:
The Gigabyte Windforce looks to be one of if not the most basic pcb there is if that bothers you ....

RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison

I've been watching a lot of content on the 4090s and with Buildzoid coming out with his two board analysis videos I wanted a quick reference to all 4090 cards in terms of VRM arrangements. It's interesting seeing the wild variance from the Halo cards (Suprim, STRIX, AIRO) and the OC cards (Trio, ...
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For what its worth i think any of the PCB will be fine for the 4090 , they are all signed off by Nvida so the way i see it is the most basic of the pcb is all it needs to work with the rest being over enginerred for what 99% of people will do with them which is play games.
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The basic nature of the PCB for the PALIT isn't at all my concern for it. Again, I disagree with Buildzoid that it's somehow going to be wildly inferior. Though what I do have an issue with is the lack of fuses. If they had just put a damn fuse on the thing, I'd be buying the PALIT the second I got my refund back in.

Then again, I might be wrong about that. Maybe I'm being over zealous and even the Gigabyte doesn't have a fuse. At which point I'll STFU and buy whatever is in stock :D
 
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Mace ya face said:
Then again, I might be wrong about that. Maybe I'm being over zealous and even the Gigabyte doesn't have a fuse. At which point I'll STFU and buy whatever is in stock :D
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Must admit I’d never considered the fuses on PCBs before! I always just assumed they would be manufactured to conform to all the required safety standards.

When are we likely to see the 4090 stock situation improve? It’s odd that there only seem to be Zotac and Palits available, with the exception of that £2.2k MSI (I think) halo card.
 
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Must admit I’d never considered the fuses on PCBs before! I always just assumed they would be manufactured to conform to all the required safety standards.
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From what I understand, it's not a safety thing - it's a 'prevent the board from frying the GPU die in the event of a VRM failure' thing - if something goes wrong in power delivery they're supposed to pop before the rest of the board suffers catastrophic damage (makes it easier/possible to diagnose/fix a damaged GPU).
 
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Mace ya face said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to to drop in and mention that I took delivery of the ZOTAC 4090 Trinity on Saturday. Going straight back for a refund. Like a lot of others, I got really awful bearing noise from the fans. To try and describe it better for those that haven't heard it, imagine a large wind machine running across a field. That sound, at that volume, but tinnier, as soon as the card is loaded. Plus the VBIOS is trash. It takes 40 seconds to stop the fans once the load is off, it won't go below 30% (1100RPM) and fan-stop breaks from just having MSI Afterburner installed. Utter garbage. Avoid, would be my advice. I wouldn't tolerate this on a £300 card, let alone a near £2K one.

Think I'm going to wait now. MSI and ASUS are all stupid expensive for no real gain and have a coil whine lottery. PALIT has crap PCBs that don't even use fuses for basic safety, and everything else is out of stock anyway. Real shame that the biggest issue with the 4090 is the AIBs. They're either all charging you the value of a plane ticket for a colourful shroud, or scraping the bin for bargin special components.
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This was something that occurred to me a while back. I noticed that many manufacturers were using the same fans they have used on previous models even though the new cards are £1500+. Although you would think they would put fans on befitting an expensive card, they aren't. Most of those fans are in the order of a few £, even on the most expensive cards.
 
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Ya, the PALIT having a, "bad", PCB should be meaningless. I love Buildzoid, but the guy vocalises his opnions on a scale of extremes. He is the poster child for the meme of, "YouTube reviewer in the video vs IRL". That said though, no fuses is just irrisponsible and he's right to call that out.

For me, Gainward might be a solid bet, though if they're sharing PALIT's PCB as they have sometimes done in other generations, then it's of course a no go. KFA2 and Inno3D are both nuke too as they're reported to be using the same fans as ZOTAC. MSI and ASUS have terrible coil whine and insane pricing. Gigabyte's Windforce looks very good. If you can get that at it's intended price (~£1800) that looks to be the best all rounder, though Gigabyte are infamous for under-stocking the UK.

So in short; Gigabyte Windforce or Gainward (again assuming it's not sharing the PALIT's fuseless PCB design)
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There is 0 bearing noise from the Inno Ichill and 0 coil whine also, In fact if I'm not mistaken the innos are sleeve bearing not ball.

Oh and the 0 rpm fan stop works a treat here with afterburner installed.

I have heard of Zotac fan issues in the past though.

I'm sure someone else with the Inno will tell you on here there is no abnormal noise from these GPUs and fan stop works fantastic and has done from day 1.
 
Adrian1976 said:
There is 0 bearing noise from the Inno Ichill and 0 coil whine also, In fact if I'm not mistaken the innos are sleeve bearing not ball.

Oh and the 0 rpm fan stop works a treat here with afterburner installed.

I have heard of Zotac fan issues in the past though.

I'm sure someone else with the Inno will tell you on here there is no abnormal noise from these GPUs and fan stop works fantastic and has done from day 1.
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The issue isn't consistent. Inno3D is one of the better ones, but it's a gamble, just like the SUPRIM and STRIX are for coil whine. I've seen two people and one review with ZOTAC 4090s and they were whipser quiet and smooth, and countless others including myself that have had buggered bearings.

Right now, after reading some of your guys replies and rebuttles to what I've said (a legit thank you for that byt the way, I actually appriciate it) I'm gonna go Inno3D, Palit or one of the basic MSI/ASUS models if by some miracle they get restocked at their normal price.
 
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Thought I'd post this here as I found it amusing and after seeing I'm 100% certain with my life that cable gate issue is 100% user error, If people are this stupid they shouldn't be going anywhere near a PC.

Sorry but these people exist :D

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SpellowHouse said:
This was something that occurred to me a while back. I noticed that many manufacturers were using the same fans they have used on previous models even though the new cards are £1500+. Although you would think they would put fans on befitting an expensive card, they aren't. Most of those fans are in the order of a few £, even on the most expensive cards.
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There's nothing wrong with that. Better to use what you know works. ASUS just used the same fans as last time but made them bigger, and good on 'em frankly. They worked well and continue to with a bigger heatsink. ZOTAC, Gainward, PNY and KFA2 (maybe Inno3D but they've been better) seem to have switched supplier and whoever is supplying their ball bearings are hopeless.

Plus, worth remembering that VBIOS counts for a lot. I might have stuck the ZOTAC out, but the fact it runs the fans way harder than it needs to for way too long killed it for me. And that's not even mentioning it's incompatibility with Afterburner's existance and the fact that it ran both fan headers at the same speed causing all the fans to harmonise slighty out of phase.
 
Adrian1976 said:
Thought I'd post this here as I found it amusing and after seeing I'm 100% certain with my life that cable gate issue is 100% user error, If people are this stupid they shouldn't be going anywhere near a PC.

Sorry but these people exist :D

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I feel like that's a joke. Plus the power connector is six of one half a dozen of the other. Ya, users are moronic for not double checking connections, but the connector itself is really poorly designed. It either needs an uncharacteristic amount of force to fully seat, or in the case of my short lived ZOTAC, can have the latch click into place when there's still 2-3mm of the cable not inserted.
 
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Mace ya face said:
The issue isn't consistent is the issue. Inno3D is one of the better ones, but it's a gable, just like the SUPRIM and STRIX are for coil whine. I've seen two people and one review with ZOTAC 4090s and they were whipser quiet and smooth, and countless others including myself that have had buggered bearings.

Right now, after reading some of your guys replies and rebuttles to what I've said (a legit thank you for that byt the way, I actually appriciate it) I'm gonna go Inno3D, Palit or one of the basic MSI/ASUS models is by some miracle they get restocked at their normal price.
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Yeah I'm just trying to help mate, I've never had an Inno before and I've had it a month now and have had 0 issues with it other than the RGB software not working but even with that it comes with an ARGB cable in the box to connect to Asus motherboards to control the RGB now if the software doesn't work.

I have to say my experience with the Inno Ichill has been very pleasant I can't fault it.
 
Mace ya face said:
I feel like that's a joke. Plus the power connector is six of one half a dozen of the other. Ya, users are moronic for not double checking connections, but the connector itself is really poorly designed. It either needs an uncharacteristic amount of force to fully seat, or in the case of my short lived ZOTAC, can have the latch click into place when there's still 2-3mm of the cable not inserted.
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I mean it's stiff I did notice that but I wouldn't have switched it on if I was unsure whether I felt it wasn't connected right.

Even when I got the Cablemod cable to 3 x PCIE the PCIE connectors to my PSU were extremely stiff, More so than the manufacturers original PCIE connectors but I just persisted until all 3 were seated properly and clicked.
 
K1LaW8tt5 said:
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Rup said:
£ now upto $1.20. So any reduction on MSRP? Ofcourse not!
All those foolishly saying it would hit parity with the $ have some explaining to do.
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I am truly shocked...

Pound falls - prices go up.

Pound rises - prices go up anyway.

The "exchange rate" line is a total scam and always has been. They think we're stupid. Well, some of us are as they actually believe what they're told by retailers.
 
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