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Even debauer points another wasted feature if it was a poor enough item as it is:
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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I've been playing Elden Ring, thought the draw distance and textures left a bit to be desired. Turns out I've just got old people eyeballs.That's one way of getting better Image quality.
Soldato
Interesting! Found 2022 Week 3 GPU sales numbers from same source to compare.What in the list should they have bought instead?
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Surprised more and more people bought more expensive GPUs in 2023 Week 3 with 3940 GPUs sales total than 1920 GPUs total in 2022 Week 3. Hmmmm look like mining not dead after all or something else drove people to buy more expensive GPUs than a year ago.
Best value though bruh!
The problem with a year ago, would be there was very little stock of anything.
Mining cards are way down the list, as the store was likely struggling to get stock. You can also see that in the numbers.
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Every review I've seen has called it an excellent card just poorly priced.
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Price is the main point of contention in a lot of reviews, this gen of cards are stupidly priced. Though it doesn't help matters when nvidia label this a 4080, then the actual 4080 is compared and you see the performance difference between them. That soured peoples opinion big time knowing the fast one nvidia were trying to pull.
Soldato
Then.. released the 3060 8Gb.
Wasn't that the one with the slightly faster ram? I give up on gpu's this gen, both camps are extracting the urine.
I don't think it will improve, infact I think it will get worse.
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Soldato
No, it was gimped from what I could tell but same price. This is why muppets saying transistor count is the best way to indicate how good a card is fails.
The die size is exactly the same, it is still a GA106 die.
Most sensible people would say, things like die size, transistors are irrelevant. So trying to base tiers and prices off that is pointless. Performance is all that matters.
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Its gimped but roughly the same money so that is all that matters. Performance can only be worse!
And the performance this gen is down on all but the 4090 compared to last gen despite the jump from samsung 8nm > TSMC N4 being much larger than TSMC 12nm > samsung 8nm and this is due to the smaller cut down dies being used.
2080 > 3080 = +70%
3080 > 4080 = +50%
2070 super > 3070ti = +50%
3070 ti > 4070ti = 43%
So not only are Nvidia charging more for these cards but they are giving customers less of a performance uplift than last gen.
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Soldato
Most sensible people will say, consumers are again getting shafted. The unlaunched version of the 4080 was confusing, yet here they are once again messing about. Its something you should not be defending.
You guys are so contradictory. So die size suddenly matters again, even though we just gave an example of how it doesn't work.
At least most people base things on performance and cost. A lot of people on this forum are out of touch with what gamers actually care about. The clue is in the name.
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BuT tHe VaLuE!!!!!!111
People don't care. This isn't politics or some gpu crusade. They just want to play games. If they can afford it and they don't have anything better to spend the money on they will do so.
That is how the real world works.
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