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Or:
$800 Turing > $700 Ampere = +70%
$700 Ampere > $1200 Ada = +50%
$500 Turing > $500 Ampere = +50%
$500 Ampere > $800 Ada = 43%
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$800 Turing > $700 Ampere = +70%
$700 Ampere > $1200 Ada = +50%
$500 Turing > $500 Ampere = +50%
$500 Ampere > $800 Ada = 43%
Yeah it’s a really poor generation for all but the halo card.
A £1200 outlay should really mean getting a 102 die card with performance 20% higher than the current 4080 while £800 should get you a 103 die with 4080 performance at the minimum.
The smaller die size is why the performance uplift this gen isn’t as good as last gen despite using a far superior node, the only card so far that’s using a similar sized die to its last gen counterpart is the 4090 which is why it’s seeing a 70% performance increase.
Had the 4080 / 4070ti been given similar size dies to last gen they would have got 70% uplifts which is the very least customers should expect when being asked to pay a lot more.
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I dont know why you keep trolling. It in fact is the best value product out of all the new cards. That's just a fact. It beats the shot out of the competitions halo product in rt and gives similar raster per dollar to the xt while consuming less power and being cheaper. Thats why its selling.
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This is not the killer thing you think it is. My iGPU gives *awesome* raster per dollar. But that's because it was dirt cheap, effectively free. Having the same raster per dollar and a higher price can be a good thing - if you spend more, you get more performance.
The 4070Ti marks a big increase in the cost at that tier, even taking inflation into account. I can see why they're selling the best out of the new generations - they're the closest to any sort of reasonable pricing - but they're still priced equivalent to the 80 class from last gen.
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Sure, but people buying the 4070ti are making the best choice out of only bad situations. Of course they can stick to what they got, but if what they got is a 1050, well you know.
I thinking buying any of them will only make the "bad situation" the norm going forward, either get a PS5/Xbox or pick something up on used market till these companies come to their senses.
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Man that's easy to say for people on this forum where the majority has something like a 3070 or 3080. My brother still had his 1080ti and if he was going to upgrade he would go for the 4070ti. I handed him my 3090 but still, he was in a situation where his card needed an upgrade, and the 4070ti was the only sensible option in terms of performance / $
Buying used doesn't really do anything, the person that will sell you his used 3080 is going to buy one of the new cards to replace it anyways
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Buying used doesn't mean that whoever is selling is automatically going to be buying a new card, maybe the card was used for mining and is now surplus or maybe they bought during the pandemic when they were furloughed and now have little time for gaming or maybe they are selling to help with the rising COL.
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I just saw this from hub, performance / $ at 4k with current market prices. The only card that beats the 4070ti is the 6950xt, but that's megaslow in RT. Other cards that are beating it are not in the same ballpark of performance at all so they are not really contenders. Im sorry but, you might call people that buy the 4070ti morons, but going with this graph, everyone else is a moron
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He went from a 3080 to a 4080 and said he didn't regret it, why should that make him easily pleased? The last time I checked the improvement going from 3080 to 4080 is still pretty decent.
The thing that is indecent is how much it now costs but if you have that much disposable income where those sums don't cause you to bat an eye then it's not an issue to you. You just want the performance increase.
If you are in the position that you want to buy a brand new GPU, maybe your old one died, then you can only get what is available and in the current market the 4070Ti unfortunately is decent value.
Calling people morons for buying one is in and off itself the same ilk.
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That's true but thanks to mining/covid last gen cards were barely available and short of the FE drops prices were way inflated above those numbers. Did anyone expect them to recover instantly when the mining boom ended? 3080 still above MSRP on OCUK even nowNew gen are supposed to beat old gen comfortably in cost per frame though.
Prices will come down but will take a while and I'm sure Nvidia and AMD will be under pressure from shareholders to keep prices high given what people were previously willing to pay for a 3080.
It was much worse than being gimped, the bus width was also gimped! 12gb --> 8gb, 192bit --> 128bit!
Reviews from what i saw when it was silently released, show it lagging behind quite badly.
People who knew where to look and signed up to bot services pretty much didn't have this issue though. The problem now is, plenty of availability but prices are outrageous.That's true but thanks to mining/covid last gen cards were barely available and short of the FE drops prices were way inflated above those numbers. Did anyone expect them to recover instantly when the mining boom ended? 3080 still above MSRP on OCUK even now
Prices will come down but will take a while and I'm sure Nvidia and AMD will be under pressure from shareholders to keep prices high given what people were previously willing to pay for a 3080.
It's a very hard and different pill to swallow.
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Man, that is a depressing list. Adjust the Ampere cards to their MSRP and the 4070Ti barely makes an improvement over its predecessor, and the 4080 is well off. If they'd stuck to the plan and released the 4070Ti at $900 then we really would have regressed.
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A false generalisation. I know many people including myself that were signed up to notifications from day one and non of us ever got the 3080 we wanted during mining/covid.
Even some of those lucky sods (like @TNA
) who did get them for £650 went on to sell them for way more money!@stooeh point is perfectly correct.
Im not talking just about notif botsA false generalisation. I know many people including myself that were signed up to notifications from day one and non of us ever got the 3080 we wanted during mining/covid.
Even some of those lucky sods (like @TNA
@stooeh point is perfectly correct.
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I got a 3080 FE for MSRP but it doesn't matter. We don't know what % were sold as FE at that price vs what chips ended up in AIB cards or straight to miners
I'm pretty sure nvidia released the 12GB 3080 for no other reason than to make some of the profit that would otherwise be going to scalpers.
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Which makes @stooeh point all the more pertinent and correct. The vast majority of people were not able to get a 3080 at anywhere near the MSRP of £650!Im not talking just about notif bots