Those were extreme circumstances though with covid lockdowns and crypto riding a wave so the cards were able to make a lot cash, even at £1200 for a 3080 it was better value than a 4080 at £1200 since 6 months of mining and you made £600 so the cards net cost ended up below msrp. today though if your paying £1200 for a 4080 then that cash is gone and your not getting any back.Which makes @stooeh point all the more pertinent and correct. The vast majority of people were not able to get a 3080 at anywhere near the MSRP of £650!
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Perfectly correct but non sequitur as it doesn't follow on from my point which is not that a 4080 or 4070Ti represents great value (compared to last gen).
My point is the frankly puerile criticism of people buying 4070Ti or 4080's and calling them morons etc.
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I don’t think anyone is calling people morons aside from one or two but one of the purposes of this forum is about giving people buying advice for pc hardware so when a product offers really poor value or companies like Intel / AMD and Nvidia are trying to sell cut down parts with higher tier names at inflated prices then people who are not as informed should be made aware of it.
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If the prices were trippled on all GPU's this would still be "a fact".
Being the "best" of a bunch of bad offerings isn’t much of a selling point.
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People clearly do care though.
Have you now given up trying to defend cut-down GPU's and are retreating back to a "This is the real-World" type defense as if that has anything whatsoever to do a discussion about value and cut-down cards?
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Your sentence contradicts itself. "I don't think anyone is calling people morons aside from one or two" means that even if one person called these buyers a 'moron' then that makes your first sentence incorrect. Whether you think it or not, someone in this thread called these buyers 'morons'.
You yourself stated that "some people are easily pleased" in reference to somebody upgrading from a 3080 to 4080 and not regretting it. You can talk about other things but this is the point I'm pulling you and others up on.
We can b1tch and moan about the injustice of the current pricing structure till the cows come home or it might be just that we are following our civic duty and pointing out the lack of value to prospective buyers but that's where the line should be drawn. Criticising or calling these people morons for then buying these cards for whatever their reasons is then crossing the line in my opinion.
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Everything isn't black and white. There's so many factors at play. End of the day you pay or don't for what you deem is worth it. Someone that pays over the odds but enjoys it everyday for years? Well there's so many worse ways to "waste" that money.
I'm currently torn between £1300 for a Suprim 4080 or £1850 for a 4090 Suprim. For gaming at 4K on a 77 inch OLED.
I'm currently torn between £1300 for a Suprim 4080 or £1850 for a 4090 Suprim. For gaming at 4K on a 77 inch OLED.
I could be wrong but as far as I am aware, if you want the best experience at 4K then the 4090 is the card to get.
I have the Suprim X 4080 and it pushes 144+ at 1440p with most games maxed out - absolute unit of a card.
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In terms of the current generation of cards, for people to say buying a 4070ti is a waste, you should spend another 'x' percent on a 4080 or 4090 just isn't an option for some people, so they buy the best they can afford at the time
To take the example above, £1300 for a 4080, or £1850 for a 4090 is another 42% and not everyone has that kind of free cash lying around, I know I don't, so if I was going to buy a new card now, I would be looking at what is available in my budget
To take the example above, £1300 for a 4080, or £1850 for a 4090 is another 42% and not everyone has that kind of free cash lying around, I know I don't, so if I was going to buy a new card now, I would be looking at what is available in my budget
He’s easily please because most people who are going to pay near double the price of their previous card for a next gen gpu 2 years later should be expecting more of an uplift than just 50%.
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Its a different world at the moment. Working in retail you see first hand almost 100% price increase in everything, not just graphics cards.
Not just at the moment, this is now the norm.
Anybody expecting prices to go back aren't living in the real world.
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And this is why I would have to either bite the bullet and buy the best I can as I don't tend to upgrade very often at all, or walk away from the PC, especially gaming, as the cost to upgrade every couple of years is getting ridiculous
Even if you upgrade GPU one year, then CPU etc the next year, it is just becoming unsustainable for a lot of people, especially with the increase in cost of living
Yeah I forgot those cpus and the consoles made from the same parts have also doubled in price.
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the moment you realise pcmr is dead to the poor. I reckon in about 5 years time, budget builds will be closer to 2-2.5k? and top end close to 5k-6k.
If you have a thick radiator like Arctic LFII it won't fit unless FE or a 33cm length card.
Pic is old,got the cablemod a week ago but too lazy to switch.
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You can already pay £30K for a prebuilt system on OCUK
Don't try to convice yourself that its the norm. Its only the norm if people start paying these prices in large enough numbers for these companies to maintain them.
Look at how AMD slashed Zen4 pricing in just a few months from release when those failed to sell enough yet zen 3 stayed high for over a year during the pandemic when demand was high.
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