Nvidia disables PhysX when ATI card is present with an Nvidia card for windows 7.

RizlaKing · 13 Aug 2009 at 01:04

So as far as some are concerned then it is the fault of the customer that they bought an nvidia card to do what nvidia advertised and also had a card from ati :rolleyes:

. That means at least one sale for nvidia so they should be happy because i predict many will not make that mistake again. I would have no problem with this if nvidia had announced it in a timely fashion not done it the way they have this just stinks of pettyness and doesn't make me want to buy nvidia in the future.

AMG · 13 Aug 2009 at 01:37

a little harsh but you are right.

I hope the EU sues there ass for that I ll be annoyed if they don't considering they sued intel and micorsoft for senseless things imo

i wouldn't mind if they refushed the support for stated that the user does this at own risk, but disable it thats kinda annoying.

I think Nvida should refund al these people who BROUGHT a 9600 or what ever for physics as they are now useless to them

i for one was going to get a new mobo that has 3 PciEs and a 9600GT to go with my crossfire setup

Xappy · 13 Aug 2009 at 02:00

This is exactly the kind of thing anti-competitive lawsuits are for.

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 09:21

jigger said:
Yes I should have used my crystal ball

Well it does seem kind of odd to buy a ATI card in the first place if your interested in physx titles, in fact using an ATI card plus a nvidia card for physx would never have occured to me.

They probably never intended for them to work with ATI cards, the fact it ever worked was probably an oversight on their part unless of course they clearly advertised compatibility and support with competitors products, did they?

RizlaKing said:
That means at least one sale for nvidia so they should be happy .

Not exactly, on the down side they may lose a few sales of mid range cards but lets be honest they won't lose many.

On the plus side users that want physx will have to buy an nvidia card, so any users planning on the purchase of an ATI + nvidia for physx will have to buy a high end nvidia card if they want physx which could lead to an increase in sales of the more expensive cards.

So we have marginal decrease in mid range sales vs marginal increase in high end sales, sounds good to me.

layte · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:03

Yea, I'm sure NV think this is a wonderful idea, up until they get slapped with an anti competitive lawsuit. (which purposely disabling features upon detection of a competitors device certainly smacks of)

I struggle to think why anyone outside of Nvidia, would think this is a good idea, or would attempt to defend such a position. Well beyond a bit of Devil's advocate.

in fact using an ATI card plus a nvidia card for physx would never have occured to me.

Using a separate card for PhysX has been around longer than Nvidia's GPU based approach, why would people wanting a separate card suddenly be such a strange proposition?

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:06

Using a separate card for PhysX has been around longer than Nvidia's GPU based approach, why would people wanting a separate card suddenly be such a strange proposition?

Not exactly, that was when we actually had stand alone physx cards, using a graphics card from a competitor for physx is slightly different.

layte · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:32

ebilcake said:
Not exactly, that was when we actually had stand alone physx cards, using a graphics card from a competitor for physx is slightly different.

Yes, but it is still the concept of a separate card from your main GPU. Something which you exclaimed surprise at, when in fact this approach has been around a while. I can buy a graphics card from NV and use it for CUDA, why is PhysX suddenly a different concept?

mmj_uk · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:45

ATI owners can still pick up an Ageia PPU, or you know... AMD could actually add Physx support for their customers.

layte · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:53

mmj_uk said:
ATI owners can still pick up an Ageia PPU, or you know... AMD could actually add Physx support for their customers.

I have one of those. Strangely enough Nvidia no longer make the current PhysX software compatible, and have not done so for a while now. You can install the software, the webpage even states that it will update your software if you have a Ageia PPU. It is just a shame that if you do that, your PPU is no longer used.

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 11:49

mmj_uk said:
ATI owners can still pick up an Ageia PPU, or you know... AMD could actually add Physx support for their customers.

Install older software, as poster above has pointed out current software is not compatitble anyway so it's a non-issue.

Physx was offered to ATI with grounds they would have to use cuda, they refused so it's very unlikely they will ever use physx in the future, more likely they will develop there own or help develop an industry standard which everyone can use, this will take time.

AMG · 13 Aug 2009 at 12:13

I never heard that AMD refused, I think they just wanted to stay out of it.

So Nvida will have to somehow get hold of their cards, but think about it if Nvida did get hold of AMD cards they can copy it

because they will study how it works, why its so fast and why it kicked them in the face

and physics has nothing to do with rendering, it don't matter which does what (ATI cards can't do physics at the moment but are more than capable)

jigger · 13 Aug 2009 at 12:20

Straws.

You sell something and then take it back. But then you have no problem with this if its in the name of profit.

The suggestions of using older drivers or Ageia PPU are moronic.

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 12:39

AMG said:
I never heard that AMD refused, I think they just wanted to stay out of it.
ATI cards can't do physics at the moment but are more than capable)

Nope, they refused because they didnt want to agree to use cuda, yes there capable

jigger said:
You sell something and then take it back. But then you have no problem with this if its in the name of profit

The suggestions of using older drivers or Ageia PPU are moronic.

Show me where nvidia advertised compatiblity or support when paired with ATI cards?

Suggesting the use of PPU cards is a bit pointless now the latest drivers don't support them but suggesting older drivers for hardware thats not supported anymore is hardly moronic because they don't really have a choice, either that or it becomes a paperweight.

AMG · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:10

you work for Nvida by any chance you are defending them, to death it seems

I agree with AMD refusing, Nvidia can get to know what AMD are up to and can COPY them, anyways all they need is one card out of the HD4K as they are all pretty much the same in workings, just different clock speed/ram chips etc

unless Nvidia was up to something a lot more than that

jigger · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:24

Clutching.

Sold, marketed and advertised as a standalone product.

I remember a nvidia add man saying the implementation of physics was designed with recycling in mind. You can take your old card and give it a different job. The card doing the rendering is doing it all by its self.

This is not about support, as no support was needed. Nvidia have disabled, removed deactivated, native functionality.

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:26

AMG said:
you work for Nvida by any chance you are defending them, to death it seems

Course not, I don't agree with what they've done, but I can understand why, theres a difference.

AMG said:
Nvidia can get to know what AMD are up to and can COPY them, anyways all they need is one card out of the HD4K as they are all pretty much the same in workings, just different clock speed/ram chips etc

unless Nvidia was up to something a lot more than that

?

jigger said:
Clutching.

Sold, marketed and advertised as a standalone product.
.

Can't say I've seen them advertised like this, you got an example?

If they have clearly advertised support as a standalone physx card with mension of compatibility with products other then their own then you might have something.

jigger · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:36

elbilcake, can you buy that in Dutch cafe's.

RizlaKing · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:58

For someone that doesn't think this is right your doing a hell of a lot of defending here and completely missing it seems the main point everyone is making. Many companys COULD disable features on various stuff to make it harder for competitors but most are not that small minded or that petty and that is the main point here there was no need for nvidia to do this and certainly not the way they have done it.

As to this leading to more sales of high end nvidia cards sorry i don't see that at all nvidia have yet again slapped people in the face and are becoming as well known for their rather dubious business practices as they are for their products which doesn't make me and i suspect many others want to trust them enough to blow a decent amount of cash on their products.

Speaking personally this has given me one more reason to buy Ati and hope that opencl or some other open program becomes the leader rather then nvidias phsyx because if this is how they work when it isn't fully on top i can only imagine how they will be if it ever became completely dominent.

Sash · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:59

Has anyone tried petitioning this to the EU to get them kicked in the groin?

ebilcake · 13 Aug 2009 at 14:31

RizlaKing said:
Many companys COULD disable features on various stuff to make it harder for competitors but most are not that small minded or that petty and that is the main point here there was no need for nvidia to do this and certainly not the way they have done it.

Oh I agree but that doesnt change anything.

As to this leading to more sales of high end nvidia cards sorry i don't see that at all nvidia have yet again slapped people in the face and are becoming as well known for their rather dubious business practices as they are for their products which doesn't make me and i suspect many others want to trust them enough to blow a decent amount of cash on their products.

I don't think it will effect sales at all, the loss in sales of mid range cards and increase in high end kind of cancel each other out.

But yes, again I agree, evil nvidia at it again... etc..

Speaking personally this has given me one more reason to buy Ati and hope that opencl or some other open program becomes the leader rather then nvidias phsyx because if this is how they work when it isn't fully on top i can only imagine how they will be if it ever became completely dominent.

I don't let any this effect what I buy, it's all about the products, couldnt give a crap what about this stuff.