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**Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Thread**
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You have to ask yourself why nVidia are pushing these out. With more and more DX12 titles around the corner (Gears of War 4, BF1) whats to say the 480 starts creeping close to 1070 levels of performance, and this is before we see Vega.
They know something we don't.. Ill be holding out for Volta myself. Hopefully we will see proper DX12 implementation then.
They know something we don't.. Ill be holding out for Volta myself. Hopefully we will see proper DX12 implementation then.
Except that only applies to gaming, and then detriments everything else.
Pretty much all media, consoles, etc. are 1080p or 4K. So 4K is the most scalable/compatible high resolution currently, and probably will be forever since TVs (and therefore consoles/media) will just go 4K -> 8K.
There not pushing them out, We all knew it was coming soon after the 1080.
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2k super wide is where its at at 100hz
this is not up for discussion
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I'm not really sure about those really wide screens myself.Since screens went LCD i don't think perfect scaling is possible, hasn't happened yet anyway? If it is possible i really don't get why they haven't got 4k screens that can scale to a lower res for example 1080p or 1440p, and have it look exactly the same as a native resolution screen. But they always look a bit worse when scaling is involved.
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Since screens went LCD i don't think perfect scaling is possible, hasn't happened yet anyway? If it is possible i really don't get why they haven't got 4k screens that can scale to a lower res for example 1080p or 1440p, and have it look exactly the same as a native resolution screen. But they always look a bit worse when scaling is involved.
thing is with 5k its a perfect double pixel of 1440p.
with 4k its one and a bit pixels which is why even the best scaling looks off.
thats why 5k screens will take off IMO. Wont need the horsepower that 8k screens need but if you want to run a game and need super high framerates for fps for example you can set it to 1440p and have zero loss in quality.
By the time 5k screens become any kind of common, we'll probably have the power to run games at 4k/60fps with reasonably affordable GPU's.
Besides, 1440p is pretty much solely used by PC games. No other media format uses it, meaning the scaling benefits will be limited. 4K, on the other hand, will get a fair amount of content in the coming years. And that will not scale well to 5k.
i personally wouldn't pay 699 for a card cut down as much as the rumored 1080 Ti specs
£699 is even a stretch for the 3584 core one
for the price they are asking for the Titan it should be fully enabled
for me the last gens pricing was reasonable
1070 £250-330
1080 £350-450
1080 Ti £550-700 (3584 cores)
Titan - charge whatever you want people will still pay
Ok boss
Since screens went LCD i don't think perfect scaling is possible, hasn't happened yet anyway? If it is possible i really don't get why they haven't got 4k screens that can scale to a lower res for example 1080p or 1440p, and have it look exactly the same as a native resolution screen. But they always look a bit worse when scaling is involved.
You can do perfect scaling on LCD/OLED whenever the resolutions are multiples of 4 (or 2 if you just take one direction).
i.e. 1920x1080 scales perfectly to 3840x2160 because it's EXACTLY double the pixels in each direction, so the panel just has to turn every 1 pixel from the 1920x1080 source material into a 4 pixel square (just repeating the pixel twice in each direction).
So basically if you play games on a 4K screen, but tell it to render at 1920x1080 it will still look 'right'.
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AMD Catalyst scales 2:1 perfectly but most software scalers and all monitor hardware scalers use inferior blurry filtering, not 2:1 or 4:1.
Nvidia still don't do perfect 2:1 scaling. Another reason to avoid them.
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I seriously doubt that matters to anybody but like 0.1% of the market. Good grief.
You'd need to use GPU scaling - most monitors can't do perfect scaling even with exact multiples.
Also not sure about AMD doing it perfectly - I've seen the first AOC and Asus TN 4K panels on both nVidia (including latest GPUs) and AMD (upto 290X) both using GPU and monitor scaling from 1920x1080 to 3840x2160 and no combination was perfect even with the best settings on both there was a slight softening of colour values even when pixels were correctly positioned for some reason - but I don't have enough experience with scaling on AMD to know which is more capable overall.
Which is kind of weird as you'd think 1 pixel to 4 shouldn't be difficult but its like they run all combinations through some scaling filter process even exact multiples.
EDIT: Dunno if anything has changed in regard to AMD as this was on 18 month old drivers or so.
Also not sure about AMD doing it perfectly - I've seen the first AOC and Asus TN 4K panels on both nVidia (including latest GPUs) and AMD (upto 290X) both using GPU and monitor scaling from 1920x1080 to 3840x2160 and no combination was perfect even with the best settings on both there was a slight softening of colour values even when pixels were correctly positioned for some reason - but I don't have enough experience with scaling on AMD to know which is more capable overall.
Which is kind of weird as you'd think 1 pixel to 4 shouldn't be difficult but its like they run all combinations through some scaling filter process even exact multiples.
EDIT: Dunno if anything has changed in regard to AMD as this was on 18 month old drivers or so.
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I think this is about right, Those buying Titan Xp's are doing it, soon sales will slow to a trickle and then Nvidia can do a 1080ti to entice all the 1080 owners who never bit at the Titan's higher price.
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It could go like the Kepler Titan release.
The original Titan was not a full chip. The Titan X pascal is not a full chip.
When Nvidia released the Kepler Titan AMD had no response, Nvidia then released the 780 which had slightly less cores working than the original Titan, I think people are hoping for the same thing now.
With the Kepler Titan Nvidia had full chips in stock for when AMD released something to compete with the original Titan & 780. When AMD released the 290 and 290x, Nvidia responded with the 780ti and then the Titan Black. It is feasible that they could do it all again but who know's? No-one on here that's for sure.
But isn't going X70 a bit pointless after a Ti? May as well just go Ti to Ti.Going forward I'm gonna get the new arch X70 card and wait it out for the Ti variant and avoid the X80 cards altogether
The X70 always comes early and the Ti much later..
So gonna go GTX 1070 > GTX 1080 Ti > GTX 1170 > GTX 1180 Ti.
This way you can avoid the milking on the X80 stopgap cards xD
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Going forward I'm gonna get the new arch X70 card and wait it out for the Ti variant and avoid the X80 cards altogether
The X70 always comes early and the Ti much later..
So gonna go GTX 1070 > GTX 1080 Ti > GTX 1170 > GTX 1180 Ti.
This way you can avoid the milking on the X80 stopgap cards xD
I think you have had more things in your expansion slot than juicy Lucy down the docks.
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When Hell freezes over maybe.
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Not much chance of that when you have got 1080s selling for £800