NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880 and GTX 870 to Launch This Q4

Marine-RX179 · 20 Jun 2014 at 11:44

Jono8 said:
Ay? The 480 and the 580 before it were both released at the £400 mark as well.

You can't compare it like that. Price was good across the ranges for the HD5000/GTX400 and HD6000/GTX500 series (partly thanks to the strong exchange rate back then)...for current gen however the flagship Nvidia card launch prices have been air-lifted back to the £550~£600+, thanks to strategic launch of Titan's at high price of £800+.

Kaapstad · 20 Jun 2014 at 12:05

Jono8 said:
Where does it say it is a mid range card in the OP?

When the 600 series came out the 680 wasn't a mid range card, it was Nvidia's flagship.

Last line where it says GK104 replacement.

These cards are not the real deal, all they are is more 28nm that will be optimised a little better than Kepler.

People should not get their hopes up, just look at the specs they don't even compare well to a 780ti. And that 256bit bus is there for a reason, a bit like the original GK104 chips that used it. They did not have the muscle to compete with the Tahiti chips once AMD got the drivers right.

Jono8 · 20 Jun 2014 at 13:01

Marine-RX179 said:
You can't compare it like that. Price was good across the ranges for the HD5000/GTX400 and HD6000/GTX500 series (partly thanks to the strong exchange rate back then)...for current gen however the flagship Nvidia card launch prices have been air-lifted back to the £550~£600+, thanks to strategic launch of Titan's at high price of £800+.

Yes, but we know these aren't going to be the GK110 equivalents, hence I expect they will be launched at similar price points as the 670/680.

Jono8 · 20 Jun 2014 at 13:02

Kaapstad said:
Last line where it says GK104 replacement.

These cards are not the real deal, all they are is more 28nm that will be optimised a little better than Kepler.

People should not get their hopes up, just look at the specs they don't even compare well to a 780ti. And that 256bit bus is there for a reason, a bit like the original GK104 chips that used it. They did not have the muscle to compete with the Tahiti chips once AMD got the drivers right.

With that amount of cuda cores, if the clocks are crazy high, then I can see the 880 being a decent amount faster than a 780Ti.

Kaapstad · 20 Jun 2014 at 14:25

Jono8 said:
With that amount of cuda cores, if the clocks are crazy high, then I can see the 880 being a decent amount faster than a 780Ti.

With that amount of CUDA cores the clocks won't be that high and also the specs in the rest of the card will bottleneck it.

A worthy successor to GK104.

Marine-RX179 · 20 Jun 2014 at 14:59

Kaapstad said:
With that amount of CUDA cores the clocks won't be that high and also the specs in the rest of the card will bottleneck it.

A worthy successor to GK104.

Some people seem to look at only at the CUDA cores count, but ignoring the performance hit from lower ROPs count and narrower bus-size and lower memory bandwidth...

I think best case scenario would be that the GTX880 can "match" the GTX780Ti performance...expecting it to beat the GTX780Ti on while remaining on the 28nm process as well and lower price from Nvidia, I think it's far too over-optimistic.

eddyr · 20 Jun 2014 at 15:31

I think it is reasonably safe to assume the GTX880 will outpace the GTX780ti where it matters, gaming benchmarks at 1080/12000p. Just the top model with the full core, all the cut down binned parts below less so.

Dicehunter · 20 Jun 2014 at 17:46

randal said:
Roll on cheap 780Ti cards.

+1 gonna get a 2nd 780 Ti for SLI and then wait for the 900 series

humbug · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:04

Kaapstad said:
http://www.techpowerup.com/202238/nvidia-geforce-gtx-880-and-gtx-870-to-launch-this-q4.html

Looking at the specs above anyone with a GTX 780 or better may as well keep their money in their pocket as I don't think these cards are anything special.

GK110: 2880 cores - 550mm^2 + 11% = 3200 cores - 610mm^2

Wow, that's a big die, expensive.

melmac · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:14

1kiwi said:
In reality it was their midrange card sold as the flagship when they worked out it was faster than the 7970. This forced AMD to respond with the 290 & 290X whereby nvidia finally brought out the 780TI which was the original, rumored top tier card.

The way that nvidia played out Kepler was genius in my opinion.

People still saying this? It wasn't like that at all. The GK100 didn't work out, so they had to release the GK104 part as the high end because they had nothing else. They even had to put two GK104's together to make a compute card because they had no GK100 part. It was lucky for Nvidia that AMD did what AMD usually do and completely dropped the ball, releasing the 7970 with very low clocks and high price tag.

And it didn't force AMD to release the 290? lol, unless you can call AMD waiting 1 year and 7 months after the 680 release as been "forced to respond" AMD released the GHz edition of their cards in response to the 680/670.

The GK100 was the original rumoured top tier card. G*110 has always been the naming scheme for second generation cards.

eddyr · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:17

humbug said:
GK110: 2880 cores - 550mm^2 + 11% = 3200 cores - 610mm^2

Wow, that's a big die, expensive.

Don't forget space saving from smaller bus and other reorganization/feature cutting. While a different core, the maxwell overview on the 750 described a fair few changes some which improve space efficiency.

This is particularly interesting.

NVIDIA hasn’t given us hard numbers on SMM power efficiency, but for space efficiency a single 128 CUDA core SMM can deliver 90% of the performance of a 192 CUDA core SMX at a much smaller size

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/3

humbug · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:22

melmac said:
People still saying this? It wasn't like that at all. The GK100 didn't work out, so they had to release the GK104 part as the high end because they had nothing else. They even had to put two GK104's together to make a compute card because they had no GK100 part. It was lucky for Nvidia that AMD did what AMD usually do and completely dropped the ball, releasing the 7970 with very low clocks and high price tag.

And it didn't force AMD to release the 290? lol, unless you can call AMD waiting 1 year and 7 months after the 680 release as been "forced to respond" AMD released the GHz edition of their cards in response to the 680/670.

The GK100 was the original rumoured top tier card. G*110 has always been the naming scheme for second generation cards.

The GTX 680 did not force AMD to make the 290, come on

TheRealDeal · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:26

humbug said:
The GTX 680 did not force AMD to make the 290, come on

If the gtx680 was Nvidia's mid range then the 7970 was also Amd's. Both had more powerful gaming cores in the pipeline gtx780/ti/Titan/290/290x. The gtx680 was the best Nvidia could produce at the time as was the 7970 on the Amd side.

LtMatt · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:32

humbug said:
The GTX 680 did not force AMD to make the 290, come on

The GTX 680 forced AMD to stop pussy footing around and underclocking their Tahiti gpu's.

humbug · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:36

LtMatt said:
The GTX 680 forced AMD to stop pussy footing around and underclocking their Tahiti gpu's.

This.

Kaapstad · 20 Jun 2014 at 18:53

LtMatt said:
The GTX 680 forced AMD to stop pussy footing around and underclocking their Tahiti gpu's.

I think these new NVidia cards are going to have a very hard time on price and performance as they are likely to be in the same part of the market as the 290P, I can only see one winner @28nm and it is not green.

eddyr · 20 Jun 2014 at 19:00

TheRealDeal said:
If the gtx680 was Nvidia's mid range then the 7970 was also Amd's. Both had more powerful gaming cores in the pipeline gtx780/ti/Titan/290/290x. The gtx680 was the best Nvidia could produce at the time as was the 7970 on the Amd side.

Nvidia did have the full fat core ready and shipping around the same time (dates maybe of a little but not much), a fair time before they released it in gaming/consumer form, for use in the titan supercomputer. Guaranteed high margins from professional/scientific markets seems to be the consensus as to why nvidia can go so early for their big core.

Rroff · 20 Jun 2014 at 19:05

TheRealDeal said:
If the gtx680 was Nvidia's mid range then the 7970 was also Amd's. Both had more powerful gaming cores in the pipeline gtx780/ti/Titan/290/290x. The gtx680 was the best Nvidia could produce at the time as was the 7970 on the Amd side.

As per a post I made ages ago - there were "leaked" slides that have all but been confirmed as genuine that named the card as the 7870 and the release date pencilled in for the same time as when the 7970 actually came out with no mention in sight of a 7970 at the time. Pretty much both played their top spec mid-range part.

Jono8 · 20 Jun 2014 at 19:26

eddyr said:
Don't forget space saving from smaller bus and other reorganization/feature cutting. While a different core, the maxwell overview on the 750 described a fair few changes some which improve space efficiency.

This is particularly interesting.

Exactly. People are forgetting this is a whole new architecture. Just look at the 750Ti vs the 650Ti - The 750Ti has less TMU's and less Cuda Cores and only a 100mhz bump on the core and it is still faster ( by a decent margin) than the 650Ti and uses loads less power.

if you translate that over to the 880 then you can expect the same thing. The 880 will be a decent bit faster than the 780 Ti

Boomstick777 · 20 Jun 2014 at 19:53

TheRealDeal said:
If the gtx680 was Nvidia's mid range then the 7970 was also Amd's. Both had more powerful gaming cores in the pipeline gtx780/ti/Titan/290/290x. The gtx680 was the best Nvidia could produce at the time as was the 7970 on the Amd side.

In hindsight we can see that's what happened. That's the best they could or were willing to put out at the time and we have been drip fed upgrades on 28nm since..

Saying that their have been some great cards on 28nm, maybe they can squeeze even more out of it? I'm gonna pass on the next wave on 28nm though.

Hopefully this time we don't have to wait so long for the real high end (Fully enabled parts) to surface. Fully enabled 20nm AMD / Nvidia parts are going to be ridiculous. Hope it doesn't take so long..