** NVIDIA GTX 1080 FOUNDERS EDITION: WANNA PRE-ORDER?

[glenimp617]

2 x Gigabyte 1080 SLi

That's all my old bitcoins spent

 

[Rasphelt]

Have you not read a single thing in this thread? its blatantly obvious these cards wont perform as well under water as the non FE ones will, purely because they cannot draw enough power really to push them to their maximum potential.

Most people expect the AIB non FE cards to have extra power connection and phases built in to allow for more power to be delivered.

Surely these are the cards to buy no? Unless your just posting for the 15th time or whatever it is to tell everyone on OCUK you intend to buy 3 of these cards and a top end CPU yada yada.

As they say, fools are the money are easily parted.

Ok, so thanks for the constructive feedback.

Let me answer your comments in line:

How is it blatantly obvious? It seems to me that the power draw may not actually be an issue, and the cards, if properly cooled will actually perform pretty well with a decent overclock.

While I agree that an extra 6 pin is a good idea, we don't actually know whether this is a) going to happen at all or b) make a huge difference to performance.

Actually, the reason I decided to join OCUK was to find like minded people who actually know what they are talking about and have the same passion I do; honestly I seem to find more people like you who think that calling someone a fool is ok. You wouldn't get away with it in the street my friend, so why do you think you can get away with it on the internet? Also, super grasp of grammar.

More intelligent, informed answers required. Sigh.

Cheers
EDIT: In hindsight I guess I asked to be called a fool, I guess I didn't actually expect anyone to take that so literally.

 

[Greebo]

Ok, so thanks for the constructive feedback.

Let me answer your comments in line:

How is it blatantly obvious? It seems to me that the power draw may not actually be an issue, and the cards, if properly cooled will actually perform pretty well with a decent overclock.

While I agree that an extra 6 pin is a good idea, we don't actually know whether this is a) going to happen at all or b) make a huge difference to performance.



Cheers

To be fair if you have clicked on any of the links esp the modded one with watercooling you will see that they couldnt supply enough power to both the core and memory clocks at the same time. A few reviews on the air cooled one have mentioned this as well.

Once water cooled temps were not an issue at all but the max overclock was barely more than the FE fan cooler anyway except that there was no thermal throttling on the water cooled one and there was with the air cooled one unless you ran the fan at 100%.

There has been pics leaked showing extra connectors on the AIB boards.

Better chokes and extra connectors may not make any difference and the gpu could just be an overclocking lemon compared with the 980ti and the AIB boards won't overclock any better than the reference. Point is you might only have to wait until the 27th to find this out so why pre order????

And all AIB are under NDA. EVGA on their forums have said they have some boards ready but arent allowed to talk about them yet.

 

[andybird123]

They havent even been leaked, these are official press releases showing 1080 pcb's with dual power connectors

Ras;
You did kinda set yourself up by saying "am i totally foolish"... its difficult to complain when someone responds that - in their opinion based on the info available - that the answer is yes

In my opinion, for SLI it wont make much difference as they wont be running at 100% at 2100mhz let alone if they hit 22 or 23

I would avoid 3 way at the moment though, if they are moving away from official support and even 2 way has been really hit or miss the last year...

 

[GFX-Kid]

Ok, so thanks for the constructive feedback.

Let me answer your comments in line:

How is it blatantly obvious? It seems to me that the power draw may not actually be an issue, and the cards, if properly cooled will actually perform pretty well with a decent overclock.

While I agree that an extra 6 pin is a good idea, we don't actually know whether this is a) going to happen at all or b) make a huge difference to performance.

Actually, the reason I decided to join OCUK was to find like minded people who actually know what they are talking about and have the same passion I do; honestly I seem to find more people like you who think that calling someone a fool is ok. You wouldn't get away with it in the street my friend, so why do you think you can get away with it on the internet? Also, super grasp of grammar.

More intelligent, informed answers required. Sigh.

Cheers

My advice would be to stick with what you got (980Ti x2) until Vega and Big Pascal come along. That is where the fun will be. Will see big jumps in performance and we will get hbm 2.

If you are an super duper enthusiast and doing it just for the fun (benchmarks) and just want the latest gear with money being no object, then I suppose you would not be here asking for advice and would have ordered four 1080's already.

 

[solidair]

If you have the cash why not but like I said Nvidia themselves are not recommending three 1080s in a system as yet and have been optimising drivers for two only so far.

 

[Rasphelt]

To be fair if you have clicked on any of the links esp the modded one with watercooling you will see that they couldnt supply enough power to both the core and memory clocks at the same time.

Once water cooled temps were not an issue at all but the max overclock was barely more than the FE fan cooler anyway except that there was no thermal throttling on the water cooled one and there was with the air cooled one.

There has been pics leaked showing extra connectors on the AIB boards.

Better chokes and extra connectors may not make any difference and the gpu could just be an overclocking lemon and the AIb boards won't overclock any better than the reference. Point is you might only have to wait until the 27th to find this out so why pre order????

The thread moves very fast; its hard to keep up in all honesty. I have just had a look at the leaked pics, I guess we will see if they are legit!

That was pretty much my question, if we think that there will be an announcement on the 27th about the AIB cards then great - but again, I was not sure on the specifics and couldnt actually find anything to state either way, i suspect due to the amount of NDA's in place!

Does the max overclock matter that much to me; are we talking about huge differences in performance from FE stable OC to max OC with second 6pin; especially given my multi card setup? How much real world difference will it actually make?

Cheers mate

EDIT: It seems the 6pin is legit!!

 

[Rasphelt]

They havent even been leaked, these are official press releases showing 1080 pcb's with dual power connectors

Ras;
You did kinda set yourself up by saying "am i totally foolish"... its difficult to complain when someone responds that - in their opinion based on the info available - that the answer is yes

Fair point. Although i was expecting more of a rational, courteous response.

 

[Rasphelt]

My advice would be to stick with what you got (980Ti x2) until Vega and Big Pascal come along. That is where the fun will be. Will see big jumps in performance and we will get hbm 2.

If you are an super duper enthusiast and doing it just for the fun (benchmarks) and just want the latest gear with money being no object, then I suppose you would not be here asking for advice and would have ordered four 1080's already.

I guess I am just trying to build the best I can as this is a new build, not an upgrade, so I will eventually sell the machine I have lock-stock to a friend. I think that this means I should wait for the AIB cards at the very least, as the general consensus here is that the FE cards are a total waste of time.

I am asking for advice because generally others give perspective to my view.

Cheers

 

[dragos1977]

And all this madness is just driven by monitors specs.Oled will come along and everyone will sudenly want a more powerfull card that won't be keeping up again.Nice marketing moves.

 

[WesleyBurns]

The only reason I would by a FE now is because I have no card, I should not have sold my 980 Ti so soon. Since I do not want to make another mistake, I will just wait for the AIB cards. In all fairness the FE and AIBs will probibly be equal in overclocking performance given that FE cards can do 2050MHz easy (so it seems). However, we are being told that the FE is more expensive because of the high quality of the FE cards (maybe the HSF they are talking about). I do not agree.

Basically it has cost them X Billion dollars (enough to send someone to Mars! :/) and they want to grab some revenue back.

I just hope when the next card comes out it goes back to the old way where the card is annouced and are available to purchase when they go live on web pages. The card is only 20% faster than the 980Ti and every generation before that was 20% faster than the last etc...

 

[Jono8]

I just hope when the next card comes out it goes back to the old way where the card is annouced and are available to purchase when they go live on web pages. The card is only 20% faster than the 980Ti and every generation before that was 20% faster than the last etc...

It is actually on average 30% faster stock vs stock. Less when both are overclocked but that is just because we have only the limited power reference models with a crap cooler to go by.

 

[Rasphelt]

The only reason I would by a FE now is because I have no card, I should not have sold my 980 Ti so soon. Since I do not want to make another mistake, I will just wait for the AIB cards. In all fairness the FE and AIBs will probibly be equal in overclocking performance given that FE cards can do 2050MHz easy (so it seems). However, we are being told that the FE is more expensive because of the high quality of the FE cards (maybe the HSF they are talking about). I do not agree.

Basically it has cost them X Billion dollars (enough to send someone to Mars! :/) and they want to grab some revenue back.

I just hope when the next card comes out it goes back to the old way where the card is annouced and are available to purchase when they go live on web pages. The card is only 20% faster than the 980Ti and every generation before that was 20% faster than the last etc...

Thanks for the info

This is where I got to, and hence my question, I saw the 2Ghz OC and thought, well that seemed to yield decent results why shouldn't I get the FE if i'm not worried about the price?

I, like you, don't want to buy a card that is instantly anihilated by the AIB cards by 10-30% performance (or something) for the sake of waiting a few days. My worry about waiting to the 27th is that there will no longer be any stock of the FE cards IF the AIB cards are going to take another month or so to be released.

Cheers

 

[WesleyBurns]

My point is still valid, it is the same hop generation to generation. There was a lot of hype around this release.

 

[WesleyBurns]

Thanks for the info

This is where I got to, and hence my question, I saw the 2Ghz OC and thought, well that seemed to yield decent results why shouldn't I get the FE if i'm not worried about the price?

I, like you, don't want to buy a card that is instantly anihilated by the AIB cards by 10-30% performance (or something) for the sake of waiting a few days. My worry about waiting to the 27th is that there will no longer be any stock of the FE cards IF the AIB cards are going to take another month or so to be released.

Cheers

If you can wait one month wait, you may even save £100. If not, get the FE card.

All i know whatever AIB i get with the best power delivery, the cooler comes off, AIO Pump goes on, power set to max, get the best stable clock and set the fan profiles to keep it quiet + cool and sit at max clock all day long.

With a 360 Rad that kept my 250W+ 980 Ti at 40 degrees no matter what, the 1080 will run a lot cooler than that on the same rad.

 

[IceWind]

price gouging at its finest... i will wait for the early adopters tax to subside first before i jump on the bandwagon... or i might wait for the TI

 

[TheRealDeal]

I think its worth waiting for an AIB due to the power not just for core but for memory overclocks. In the aio cooler review they were not cooling limited but to get a higher core they dropped back the memory. In order to OC the memory he then had to drop back the core. This was all due to not having enough power. If this card is starved of memory bandwidth at higher clocks you will be wanting to hit the memory as hard as possible, not worrying about power limits like in that review.

I think he managed around 140mhz on the core from his original overclock on the founders card but only recieved around 1-2% gains if memory serves. This could have been due to memory bandwidth. Guessing at this point but I wouldn't be taking the risk.

 

[chaparral]

WOW over £600 and there not even ti versions..

I wanted to upgrade, But think am going stick with my 780ti's for a little bit longer with them stupid prices..

 

[robbw77]

I dont understand the complaining by the 980ti owners, especially the SLI owners!

I have a 780 and will be getting a 1080 at launch because of the obvious increase in performance for me.

But going from 980ti to 1080 the perfromance will be minimal.....obviously, some people seem to be shocked that this is the case

And i hasten to say that i think it will be the case with a 1080ti, the 980ti owners will still see a small performance increase.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I dont understand the complaining by the 980ti owners, especially the SLI owners!

I have a 780 and will be getting a 1080 at launch because of the obvious increase in performance for me.

But going from 980ti to 1080 the perfromance will be minimal.....obviously, some people seem to be shocked that this is the case

And i hasten to say that i think it will be the case with a 1080ti, the 980ti owners will still see a small performance increase.

No doubt that many are in the same position as you, but the thing is that Nvidia is seriously milking with the ridiculous pricing...if you were to buy a 1080, you'd be paying £650 instead of what should have been £450 max.