** NVIDIA GTX 1080 FOUNDERS EDITION: WANNA PRE-ORDER?

skywalker909 · 22 May 2016 at 00:50

melmac said:
Nvidia release GPU's based on certain chips. There is the high end chip, which always ends in 0, like the GF100, GF110, GK110 etc. The mid range chip always ends in 4, the GF104, GF114. You get the idea.

Just name a few of the cards associated with those chips.

GF100 - GTX 480, GTX 470.
GF110 - GTX 580, GTX 570.
GK110 - Titan, 780, 780Ti.

GF104 - GTX 460,
GF114 - GTX 560,
GK104 - GTX 680
GF114 - GTX 770.

These mid range chips are easier and cheaper to make than the full fat chips.

The 780 for example was a high end card, it was a GK110 chip. The 680, 980 and now 1080 are not high end, they are built on mid range parts.

If we are using the reckoning that it's the highest performing card out now and that makes it a high end card, then every mid range card ever released was also high end and that's absurd.

Nvidia have very cleverly adjusted the market with releasing the high end chips much later than the mid range and renaming the mid range as X80, X70 (980, 970 for example) And raised the price accordingly too.

And now people are not only paying extra for mid range cards, but also convinced that they are high end cards!! A stroke of genius by Nvidia, getting people to pay high end prices for cards that are cheaper for them to make.

Spot on! excellent comment.

1080 is the new 980. Similar performance gains vs previous gen. The only thing that's different is a higher price.

Gtx 980 (aftermarket) at the release was £430 I think. I got gtx 970 for £270 because it made no sense to pay £150 more for such a small performance gain.

My guess is that aftermarket gtx 1080 will cost £500-£550 and gtx 1070 £350-£400 e.g. £50-£100 more than previous gen. 970/980. Which is already pushing it. Anything more is just taking the pi$$ out of your customers or greed or both.

This makes me question whether there is a point in changing my 970 to 1070 (obviously I'm not insane to buy 1080). What I want really is 1080Ti but clever Nvidia strategy won't allow this until late this year or early next one.

It looks like Nvidia will try to milk us for a while before we get a reasonably priced gpu that will be comfortable in pushing 100fps in 1440p. Lack of competition is really showing....

skywalker909 · 22 May 2016 at 00:54

siriq111 said:
This is how the market works. New hyped product price always goes up at the beginning , then goes down. The only difference is here, Nvidia made the first step to catch the first hype with the great/price point scenario.

I am very disappointed with the cooler/performance ratio. I could do an easy upgrade to my friend's rig . I won't , It's now worth it.

I am also very disappointed with the drivers recently . Causing more issues then before. I still hold my hope to see the new branch is getting better.

Gtx 970/980 price now is exactly the same as it was at the release over 1.5 years ago. There have been minimal price fluctuations (£10 either way) from what I've observed.

I would even go as far as saying it's more expensive now because at the release they included "free" game worth £30

Jono8 · 22 May 2016 at 00:56

skywalker909 said:
Gtx 970/980 price now is exactly the same as it was at the release over 1.5 years ago. There have been minimal price fluctuations (£10 either way) from what I've observed.

I would even go as far as saying it's more expensive because at the release they included "free" games worth £30

It now starts at £360 where as on release it started at £420 so it has come down ~15%. Not enough though. Prices for all the 900 series will plummet soon enough though once they become EOL.

Boomstick777 · 22 May 2016 at 00:56

skywalker909 said:
Spot on! excellent comment.

1080 is the new 980. Similar performance gains vs previous gen. The only thing that's different is a higher price.

Gtx 980 (aftermarket) at the release was £430 I think. I got gtx 970 for £270 because it made no sense to pay £150 more for such a small performance gain.

My guess is that aftermarket gtx 1080 will cost £500-£550 and gtx 1070 £350-£400 e.g. £50-£100 more than previous gen. 970/980. Which is already pushing it. Anything more is just taking the pi$$ out of your customers or greed or both.

This makes me question whether there is a point in changing my 970 to 1070 (obviously I'm not insane to buy 1080). What I want really is 1080Ti but clever Nvidia strategy won't allow this until late this year or early next one.

It looks like Nvidia will try to milk us for a while before we get a reasonably priced gpu that will be comfortable in pushing 100fps in 1440p. Lack of competition is really showing....

Lol, new forum member goes on Nvidia defence. The Nvidia shills are coming in full force. Good luck with that boys, no one (Non Nvidia employee) is gonna swallow £650 for baby Pascal lightly.

Jono8 · 22 May 2016 at 00:57

Boomstick777 said:
Lol, new forum member goes on Nvidia defence. The Nvidia shills are coming in full force. Good luck with that boys, no one (Non Nvidia employee) is gonna swallow £650 for baby Pascal lightly.

melmac · 22 May 2016 at 00:59

Boomstick777 said:
Lol, new forum member goes on Nvidia defence. The Nvidia shills are coming in full force. Good luck with that boys, no one (Non Nvidia employee) is gonna swallow £650 for baby Pascal lightly.

Have you been drinking Boom?

Disco_P · 22 May 2016 at 01:02

Boomstick777 said:
Lol, new forum member goes on Nvidia defence. The Nvidia shills are coming in full force. Good luck with that boys, no one (Non Nvidia employee) is gonna swallow £650 for baby Pascal lightly.

Might want to get your reading glasses out and have another peruse of his post.

alphaomega16 · 22 May 2016 at 01:15

Talk about an nvidia price gouge, jesus.

So much for getting a new graphics card, was expecting £400-£500 not £600-£700.

Been saving up but cant afford to buy a graphics card that costs more than a complete system including operating system.

skywalker909 · 22 May 2016 at 01:16

Jono8 said:
It now starts at £360 where as on release it started at £420 so it has come down ~15%. Not enough though. Prices for all the 900 series will plummet soon enough though once they become EOL.

you're right. price of 980 came down, but it's more like £390 (you don't really want that £360 card

) e.g. drop of £40-£50 since release
...but gtx 970 price remained the same though.

siriq111 · 22 May 2016 at 01:18

melmac said:
Have you been drinking Boom?

He's kinda right. We are talking about the hyped price at the beginning. Nvidia decided to take advantage to bring that extra cash into they packet , instead to leaving it to partners. End of story.

The thing is, i can deiced with my friend to upgrade or not over 980Ti. I vote, not to. I can set that 980Ti to run in the new home easy to keep core 14xx mhz(right now, terrible cooling solution going on but the new case was posted to the next upgrade phase) . I have been reading all kind of test about the throttling . I am not convinced with this price at all. Last year, i made a nice £1300 upgrade over the old rig. This is not deserve it to my opinion.

I am sorry Gibbo to not recommend this product.

D.P. · 22 May 2016 at 01:53

alphaomega16 said:
Talk about an nvidia price gouge, jesus.

So much for getting a new graphics card, was expecting £400-£500 not £600-£700.

Been saving up but cant afford to buy a graphics card that costs more than a complete system including operating system.

Wait for the 1070, it will clip the 980ti, run cooler, use less power and have more VRAM for less money than current 980ti prices. If some how it is arcing failure then pick up a 980ti second hand

D.P. · 22 May 2016 at 01:54

skywalker909 said:
you're right. price of 980 came down, but it's more like £390 (you don't really want that £360 card ) e.g. drop of £40-£50 since release
...but gtx 970 price remained the same though.

Sales remained strong so there was not a big need for nvidia to lower MSRP. Not sure if us prices dropped a little, but the UK exchange rate may have also ensured prices stayed high.

siriq111 · 22 May 2016 at 01:58

New rumor details came up:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1600793/...gtx-1080ti-and-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked

D.P. · 22 May 2016 at 02:06

Wow, called it earlier. I said there would be GP102 at 500mm^2 with 384bit interface and faster GDDR5X.

If there is a second round of GPUs on 16nm then that leaves space for a 600mm^2 1180ti with HBm2. 10nm process is on track but apparently is kind of like the 20nm process so may not be worth it for GPUs which might wait for the 7nm process.

Perfect_Chaos · 22 May 2016 at 02:14

1080Ti looks tasty, pretty sure i asked if the Ti would have 12GB Vram before and people were saying most likely 8

i don't mind losing a bit of money on my card so I'm almost 100% sure waiting for the Ti/Vega card now.

NirK · 22 May 2016 at 02:14

siriq111 said:
New rumor details came up:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1600793/...gtx-1080ti-and-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked

Hmm its difficult to decide what to do, will depend what the 1080 market looks like in a few weeks, that 1080ti would be very nice, 4k 60fps or 3440x1440 100fps probably.

Are there any dates when the 1080ti might release?

D.P. · 22 May 2016 at 02:21

Perfect_Chaos said:
1080Ti looks tasty, pretty sure i asked if the Ti would have 12GB Vram before and people were saying most likely 8 i don't mind losing a bit of money on my card so I'm almost 100% sure waiting for the Ti/Vega card now.

I was expecting a move to 6gb for the 1080, in which case 8Gb for the Ti and 16gb for the Titan would have made sense. With the 1080 at 8Gb and can see 12Gb for the Ti, not sure about 24Gb for the Titan but maybe.

Perfect_Chaos · 22 May 2016 at 02:21

D.P. said:
Wow, called it earlier. I said there would be GP102 at 500mm^2 with 384bit interface and faster GDDR5X.

If there is a second round of GPUs on 16nm then that leaves space for a 600mm^2 1180ti with HBm2. 10nm process is on track but apparently is kind of like the 20nm process so may not be worth it for GPUs which might wait for the 7nm process.

If the 1080Ti is using GDDR5X i really can't see any HBM2 cards coming from Nv for a while after, could be wrong but it seems unusual no?

D.P. · 22 May 2016 at 02:25

Perfect_Chaos said:
If the 1080Ti is using GDDR5X i really can't see any HBM2 cards coming from Nv for a while after, could be wrong but it seems unusual no?

I was meaning for the next generation product. I don't think any consumer Pascal GPU will have HBM2.

I think the 16nm process will follow the 28nm, with a second generation released on the same node. 1180 releases in Q3-2017 with GDDR5x, 1180ti/Titan in Q2 2018 using HBM2

NirK · 22 May 2016 at 02:28

Do the cards need any more bandwidth than they would get from 384bit 12-14GB/s GDDR5x. 14GB/s with 384bit is a lot.