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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

Anyone with any kind of understanding of electricity must be hesitant on these cards. I don't normally watch Tom Logan's videos, used to be right up there with PC Centric in the Whopperchannel index on YT. Seems to be less irritating now and his Astral was pulling 617 watts at one point.

It would not surprise me one bit if just like the Note phones that caught fire, the 5090 was discontinued quickly and a new card with two of these connectors on it is released.

Nvidia might be able to do a lot of things, but they can't change the laws of electricity.
 
ProStreet said:
Not from the place I bought from, they fob you off to the manufacturer or call the police lol
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As a last ditch resort of saving you time / energy, weigh up whether this is something you can accept the risk of for owning a card that you want. It’s OK to accept a bit of risk sometimes … life generally requires it!

If it’s currently working and has full ROPs etc, and you otherwise like the card, I’d consider an undervolt to keep the draw under 575w and then calling it a day. By buying a new card, you’re basically putting yourself through all of the faff and stress of getting a new one and making sure it isn’t defective… which is probably as annoying as going through an RMA!

If you don’t have your heart set on your MSI card and it’s still in the return window, then you can return it. But… keep in mind the time limits for ‘distance selling’ returns are generally quite short so you’ll want to get on with it without delay.
 
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My experience of the 5070 Ti has been really positive (Price aside :o) I can run all my games maxed out, I'm gaming at 1440P, Hellblade 2 has been amazing, still use DLSS on quality with that title though. Helldivers 2 runs amazing. the card is really quiet and really is a beauty of a card. Yeah all positive user experience, only gripe is that it wasn't RRP.
 
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DeathStorm said:
You're making a lot of assumptions, you've made it sound like selling to the entirety of the EU is easier than selling to one country, which isn't the case (think of the logistics alone) and if market size were the most important factor everyone else wouldn't be getting a sniff when compared to the USA and China.

As interesting as our personal preferences in politics are, ultimately this argument is pointless without actual statistics like a breakdown of the size of these respective markets, the number of units being allocated etc.
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The last paragraph is fair comment and you're right there.

But it can't be denied that having the same model for several things makes it easier to manufacture and distribute. Distribution is easier with open borders and identical paperwork.

That bit above is merely my opinion. But it is a fair assumption, although as you rightly pointed out, it is an assumption. That's why I said it was 'feasible' that we might have seen less inventory coming our way.

I do wonder about the feasibility of the 5090 given the power issues, they're the most serious out of the total niggles with the launch.
 
Interesting official numbers from AMD state much faster than 7900 GRE, so a bit *above* 7900 XTX and possibly beating 5070 ti. Looking across the games, it's about 32% faster on average in games without RT (pure raster), 51% faster in games with RT.

If priced well and in decent supply should alleviate stock issues for 5070ti.

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Nitefly said:
As a last ditch resort of saving you time / energy, weigh up whether this is something you can accept the risk of an owning a card that you want. It’s OK to accept a bit of risk sometimes … life generally requires it!

If it’s currently working and has full ROPs etc, and you otherwise like the card, I’d consider an undervolt to keep the draw under 575w and then calling it a day. By buying a new card, you’re basically putting yourself through all of the faff and stress of getting a new one and making sure it isn’t defective… which is probably as annoying as going through an RMA!

If you don’t have your heart set on your MSI card and it’s still in the return window, then you can return it. But… keep in mind the time limits for ‘distance selling’ returns are generally quite short so you’ll want to get on with it without delay.
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You know how the graphics card turned up, no outer box, no seal etc. Worried that might have caused damage to the card. This retailer is just shocking.

Whereas just received a power supply from ocuk, bubble wrap, cardboard box, air cushions, perfectly packed, haribo.
 
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For what it’s worth, from searching Reddit, I’ve seen that somebody has encountered MSI problems from a UK purchase:



That to me sounds like the retailer will handle the shipping back to MSI, if that’s what they still actually do.

Policies on this may change frequently, but I’d expect procedures to have been ironed out now compared to imminently post-Brexit.
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This has nothing to do with Brexit. The standard process of returning a card if it's faulty within the 12 month UK guarantee policy, is you return it to the place of purchase and they're supposed to deal with getting the card back to their distributor, who in return sends the cards back to the manufacturers. If a retailer tries to fob you off "you need to contact the manufacturer" - then fight back, lay down consumer law & then report them to trading standards if they don't budge.

fwiw: I used to work for a computer components company in the UK and often did RMA testing and bulk returning goods to our suppliers. They then did the rest and we'd either get a brand new replacement for the customer or a repair.
 
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TheZombieMaster said:
This has nothing to do with Brexit. The standard process of returning a card if it's faulty within the 12 month UK guarantee policy, is you return it to the place of purchase and they're supposed to deal with getting the card back to their distributor, who in return sends the cards back to the manufacturers. If a retailer tries to fob you off "you need to contact the manufacturer" - then fight back, lay down consumer law & then report them to trading standards if they don't budge.
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It does (or at least ‘did’) have to do with Brexit if the retailer has to ship the card back to the manufacturer to sort the repair, if one party is within the EU and the other is not.

I’m making this point as people have suggested that MSI require card owners themselves had send their card to Poland for a repair. This might be the case, but it depends on their current policy and whatever arrangement they have in place with the retailer regarding warranty claims.

I expect that post-Brexit, retailers and manufacturers in such situations had to deal with the awkward issues of deciding who would deal with any paperwork… and asking consumers to do it was their way of minimising their own admin.

As per my post, there is at least one recent account of MSI referring a consumer back to their retailer, which suggests this might be their current policy. This indicates that there may not be a need to personally arrange sending a card to Poland (which is the stressful thing that people want to avoid).
 
mrk said:
I just checked mine again using a thermal camera:

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Looks like I am all safe ~2 years on :cool:


Just remember to register to get the extra 2 years warranty!
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Oh man that's so cool. What thermal camera is this? something I can sorta buy relatively cheap? or is this one of those professional ones that cost an arm and a leg? I just have one of those cheap ones where you point at it and the lcd tells you the temp.
 
Nitefly said:
It does (or at least ‘did’) have to do with Brexit if the retailer has to ship the card back to the manufacturer to sort the repair, if one party is within the EU and the other is not.

I’m making this point as people have suggested that MSI require card owners themselves had send their card to Poland for a repair. This might be the case, but it depends on their current policy and whatever arrangement they have in place with the retailer regarding warranty claims.

I expect that post-Brexit, retailers and manufacturers in such situations had to deal with the awkward issues of deciding who would deal with any paperwork… and asking consumers to do it was their way of minimising their own admin.

As per my post, there is at least one recent account of MSI referring a consumer back to their retailer, which suggests this might be their current policy. This indicates that there may not be a need to personally arrange sending a card to Poland (which is the stressful thing that people want to avoid).
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I mean if it's manufacturer warranty after the 12 month uk guarantee that retailers have to give consumers, then fair play that's a completely different kettle of fish. You're at the mercy of the manufacturer's ts&cs. But if it's within 12 months from purchase date, the first go to is always the retailer that sold you the item.

edit: and yes you're right, a retailer will always weasel out doing the leg work with RMA's if they can, I can't deny that lol :cry:
 
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TheZombieMaster said:
I mean if it's manufacturer warranty after the 12 month uk guarantee that retailers have to give consumers, then fair play that's a completely different kettle of fish. You're at the mercy of the manufacturer's ts&cs. But if it's within 12 months from purchase date, the first go to is always the retailer that sold you the item.

edit: and yes you're right, a retailer will always weasel out doing the leg work with RMA's if they can, I can't deny that lol :cry:
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TBH, everyone will try to **** you.

There certainly is less ambiguity with manufacturer warranties though as they are defined purely in years. If using your statutory rights with the retailer, it comes down to the incredibly vague statement that items must 'last a reasonable amount of time'. You can then be faced with arguing with the retailer that 2.76 years is not a 'reasonable' amount of time for a £1300 GPU to last whereas the manufacturer's warranty might just be a unambiguous 3 years.
 
What an utter joke of a product launch. A market with virtually zero competition really is the worst place for a consumer to be in.

I hope NVIDIA keep dropping the ball and give AMD an opening, but I just do not see it happening.
 
Qitarah said:
What an utter joke of a product launch. A market with virtually zero competition really is the worst place for a consumer to be in.

I hope NVIDIA keep dropping the ball and give AMD an opening, but I just do not see it happening.
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looking back from here on, this has to be the worst graphics card release in the history of GPU release, I cant think of anything this bad EVER, anybody know anything worse?
 
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