NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Emm,I might being a tad obtuse but what do consoles got to do with Volta??

 

[Curlyriff]

Emm,I might being a tad obtuse but what do consoles got to do with Volta??

Nowt, not sure how it got brought up here I just got fed up of reading the rubbish that someone puts a link too but then dismisses what is stated in link.

Don't worry I'll go back to hiding under my rock now I've said my piece on it.

 

[james.miller]

Nowt, not sure how it got brought up here I just got fed up of reading the rubbish that someone puts a link too but then dismisses what is stated in link.

Don't worry I'll go back to hiding under my rock now I've said my piece on it.

Me: Scorpio code was ported from the ONE.
Curlyriff: not it wasn't , it was ported from the PC and BLAAHBLAAH ETC ETC you don't understand the article BLAAAH
DF article: it was ported from the ONE
Curlyriff: yeah well you're wrong coz you ignored the article.

That about sums it up?

I dont get it, how can you possibly stomp in here and tell me i 'clearly didn't understand the article' only to then bang on about stuff that was in direct contradiction with what was stated in that article? Love the irony there.

Not sure what happened here. I obviously ruffled some feathers

 

[JediFragger]

Come on kids, keep things on track. Although Curlyriff could probably start an argument with just himself in a locked room

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I forget how insular the community is here. Completely oblivious to actual market trends and realities.

So patronising! A big part of this uptake you mention is down to the fact it's virtually impossible to buy a high end TV without 4K. By your reasoning 3D was the way forward several years ago, when again nearly every top end TV had it.

While 1440p has never been the standard and won't be, I for one will take 1440p 144hz over 4k any day. 91ppi is plenty high enough for my crappy eyes.

 

[V F]

Come on kids, keep things on track. Although Curlyriff could probably start an argument with just himself in a locked room

 

[Samwell]

When you put it like that it's not,
It sounds like the core for core performance is identical on the two which is a bit odd seeing as it's a new architecture on a smaller node, That or it's one hell of a coincidence.

You don't get faster out of nowhere, because todays games are pretty optimized on nowadays architectures. 50% more Gflops/W is what you'll see first from these architecture improvements. The 2nd wave will come many years later when devs use the newly enabled features of volta (and also vega) in their games.

Just as an addition, anandtechs view on the architecture:

Before we kick things off, one thing to make clear here - and this is something that I'll get into much greater detail when NVIDIA releases enough material for a proper deep dive - is that Volta is a brand new architecture for NVIDIA in almost every sense of the word. While the internal organization is the same much of the time, it's not Pascal at 12nm with new cores (Tensor Cores). Rather it's a significantly different architecture in terms of thread execution, thread scheduling, core layout, memory controllers, ISA, and more. And these are just the things NVIDIA is willing to talk about, never mind the ample secrets they still keep. So while I can only scratch the surface for today's reveal and will be focusing on basic throughput, Volta has a great deal going on under the hood to get to in the coming weeks.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11367...v100-gpu-and-tesla-v100-accelerator-announced

 

[triss]

Emm,I might being a tad obtuse but what do consoles got to do with Volta??

Well volta's so great Sonys going to use it for the next gen console ofc

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well volta's so great Sonys going to use it for the next gen console ofc

High voltage stuff!

 

[shamus21]

You don't get faster out of nowhere, because todays games are pretty optimized on nowadays architectures. 50% more Gflops/W is what you'll see first from these architecture improvements. The 2nd wave will come many years later when devs use the newly enabled features of volta (and also vega) in their games.

Just as an addition, anandtechs view on the architecture:



http://www.anandtech.com/show/11367...v100-gpu-and-tesla-v100-accelerator-announced

Correct about the performance you will never be able to take full advantage of a new Gpu processing power with out the software being configured for it and that usually take on average two years

 

[shamus21]

Volta reminds me of the 980ti, bigger chip (28nm) needed to get more performance due to not being able to use a smaller process. You will not much in the way of gains with 12nm.

 

[Brazo]

So patronising! A big part of this uptake you mention is down to the fact it's virtually impossible to buy a high end TV without 4K. By your reasoning 3D was the way forward several years ago, when again nearly every top end TV had it.

While 1440p has never been the standard and won't be, I for one will take 1440p 144hz over 4k any day. 91ppi is plenty high enough for my crappy eyes.

Maybe I could put it a little more politely.

I do feel that these boards are a microcosm that doesn't reflect real life sales in any way.

As one example back in the real world you just wouldn't get people waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and hoping for a particular manufacturer to come up with the goods 'WHEN' the goods already exist in the market (and have done for quite some time) albeit by their less favourite manufacturer.

 

[KNiVES]

Whenever I see volta I think of this

I'm broken

 

[Kirby Wurm]

Maybe I could put it a little more politely.

I do feel that these boards are a microcosm that doesn't reflect real life sales in any way.

As one example back in the real world you just wouldn't get people waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and hoping for a particular manufacturer to come up with the goods 'WHEN' the goods already exist in the market (and have done for quite some time) albeit by their less favourite manufacturer.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, I simply couldn't read those comments without irritation. It's an enthusiast board and certainly not indicative of the market at large, hence all the 1080Ti's and 21:9 monitors in the wilds!

I'm awaiting redelivery of a Samsung KS7000 (had to return the first as it's PSU went after just an hour, leaving it stuck in a boot loop) and I have to say I'm far more excited at the prospect of HDR and 10bit colour than 4K, although in conjunction they should be amazing.

 

[VincentHanna]

This is how some of the debate got on to Console 4k performance in a Volta thread...this was all on page 1.

Vega will probably tell us a lot more. If Vega manages to do much better at something like 4k than a GTX1080(relative to a lower resolution), I'd say it gives pretty big incentive for top line cards to start utilizing it across both brands.

Despite what some PC enthusiasts would prefer, 120/144hz is not going to be 'the standard' going forward, but 4k soon will be. Which means prioritizing tech that improves high resolution performance is going to be the smarter play.

I'm not so sure on that - 4K is a bit marmite some love it some prefer 1440p not just because of refresh rates.

This is not really an argument.

4k is happening. The rest of the media world doesn't care one bit about 1440p. 4k will become the new standard, just like 1080p was/is.

There's nothing 'marmite' about 4k, anyways. I dont even know what that means. Preferring 1440p to 4k is like preferring 720p to 1080p. It's objectively inferior.

4K has been around awhile - even with the 60Hz limitation it hasn't seen the uptake earlier steps in resolution did (and relatively speaking they had the same increased demand in hardware performance, etc. at the relative points). A not insignificant number of people have preferences that preclude 4K i.e. the upper physical size of a monitor they'd want to use at a PC and unlike portable devices and typical use of Apple systems, etc. the usage of Windows tends to make the extra resolution less useful for scaling the UI, etc. and making use of the extra pixels for font smoothing and so on.

4K will become more prevalent sure but it isn't going to overtake 1440p any time soon like 1440p overtook 1080p.



4K uptake has mostly been media and more mainstream users especially in areas outside of typical Windows computing - even for PC gaming use it isn't going to replace 1440p anything like as quickly as earlier jumps in resolution.

While I don't pretend my own preferences are indicative of a wider market - my 4K panel has been relegated to one side used for occasionally viewing 4K videos, etc. and my desktop has a 2560x1440 panel for gaming and a ultra-wide for other use.

Haha. You think 1440p has 'overtaken' 1080p? This is what I mean by an insular community.

1080p is still the standard.

1440p will never be a 'standard'.

2160p will be the new standard.


Sure, 4k for general PC use(outside gaming) is absolutely still lagging. But it WILL become the new standard. And I guarantee Windows will be updated to better support it in pretty short order.

4k is happening because that's what everything is going to move towards. The gaming medium itself is going to be 4k-focused within 2-3 years, particularly when next gen consoles come out. Movies are going to be mastered for 4k. Streaming services are going to go not to 1440p, but from 1080p to 4k.

This is inevitable, it's not arguable. People here on an enthusiast gaming board, especially one where many have probably sunk big bucks into a 1440p monitor probably aren't gonna understand so well, but it's what will happen.

consoles aren't going to be 4k focused any time some, not for gaming at any rate and consoles run at reduces frame rates and levels of detail comparatively. PC gamers expect more than console gamers do, as well. But the hardware isnt there. Not even if you're spending thousands on GPUs, let alone anything like 'mainstream'. Baseline performance isnt going to jump to such a degree that 4k performance becomes cheap enough to be any standard any time in the near future.



It may be inevitable, but not in next couple of years.

And then I said Xbox Scorpio is out at the end of the year and is targetting 4k/60hz

 

[Curlyriff]

Come on kids, keep things on track. Although Curlyriff could probably start an argument with just himself in a locked room

One has done so at times of need it certainly gets the brain working and things back to reality after a good hour session

 

[Gregster]

I look forward to Volta and it will be my next upgrade (assuming it doesn't come too quick as I need to save for it). GDDR6 will do nicely for the bigger resolutions with all that lovely bandwidth as well.

 

[james.miller]

VincentHanna:

Spoiler

And then I said Xbox Scorpio is out at the end of the year and is targetting 4k/60hz

That's not exactly what you said, is it?

4k is happening because that's what everything is going to move towards. The gaming medium itself is going to be 4k-focused within 2-3 years, particularly when next gen consoles come out. Movies are going to be mastered for 4k. Streaming services are going to go not to 1440p, but from 1080p to 4k.

This is inevitable, it's not arguable. People here on an enthusiast gaming board, especially one where many have probably sunk big bucks into a 1440p monitor probably aren't gonna understand so well, but it's what will happen.

consoles aren't going to be 4k focused any time some, not for gaming at any rate and consoles run at reduces frame rates and levels of detail comparatively. PC gamers expect more than console gamers do, as well. But the hardware isnt there. Not even if you're spending thousands on GPUs, let alone anything like 'mainstream'. Baseline performance isnt going to jump to such a degree that 4k performance becomes cheap enough to be any standard any time in the near future.

It may be inevitable, but not in next couple of years.

Ummm , Xbox Scorpio.

Educate yourself.

Then of course you post the eurogamer/DF article as some sort of proof against what i said (like the word of a DEV about a demo running on an XDK is such concrete proof) and for some bizarre reason you, r7slayer and curlyriff take it in turns to tell me that im ignorant, how i don't understand it, i'm getting it wrong, i'm ignoring it. I was told the ps4 pro manages 4k60 yet after asking where all those 4k60 games are (twice)...nothing. I was told forza 6 on the scoprio was ported from the PC and it had none of the pc setttings available and XDK means (somehow...) the codebase for the pc version of the game despite the first video in that article explaining quite clearly that that wasnt the case yet i'm still apparently the guy who can't read or comprehend. It's been insinuated i've said all sorts of nonsense like the ps4 pro and scorpio cant do 4k which is not the case at all.

You three act like i'm the bad guy but all the insults came from you. All the lack of comprehension came from you. the needless twist of words, making up things i've apparently said, all from you.

 

[Boomstick777]

Step in for some Volta news. Nothing but arguing..

 

[JediFragger]

I look forward to Volta and it will be my next upgrade (assuming it doesn't come too quick as I need to save for it). GDDR6 will do nicely for the bigger resolutions with all that lovely bandwidth as well.

Nah, I don't think you'll need to man. Ti-to-Ti is where it's at imo